Feds warn to stop Hydroxycut use immediately - page 2

At least one death and several cases of liver failure due to this "supplement". I wonder how many deaths it will take before we demand they be tested at least for safety if not effectiveness.... Read More

  1. by   Junebugfairy
    Quote from atomicwoman
    i've had multiple clients who formerly took phen-fen tell me that if it came back on the market today, they would take it, regardless of the risks. they said it made losing weight really easy.

    i used to be 200+ pounds, i am now 5'6 and 128.. at age 15 i was big, i managed to lose 80 pounds in less than one year, and by my 16th birthday i was able to wear a bikini for the first time in my life.

    i find that exercising an hour each and every day makes losing weight very easy..:d i am on the elliptical everyday for one hour, followed by weight training 3-4 times a week.

    i have kept off 82 pounds for 11 years. no pills, surgery, lipo, or anything.
  2. by   Vaxene
    i'd have to see the complete research on the stuff to completely side with those who are against the stuff. i've taken it in the past (was actually the hydroxycut 'hardcore' version) and there are specific instructions on taking it, all of which i followed and had no ill effects. anyone who chooses to take supplements should do as much research as they can before beginning any type of supplement/diet/exercise regimine. one of the main points to address when taking this stuff is to maintain hydration. i know of people that took this stuff and never stayed hydrated resulting in rhabdomyolysis. to look at a supplement such as hydroxycut and say that it is potentially deadly and should be banned/pulled from shelves/picketed against/whatever else you want to do against it is utter nonsense. look at the statistics on those with detrimental side-effects from using other "natural" substances or one of many prescription medications that can and do cause life-threatening conditions such as many statins, antibiotics, and a lengthy list of others.

    i'm not saying one should or should not take any OTC supplement or medication just to lose weight, be stronger, look better, be healthier or anything else for that matter. when taken correctly and not abused, many of these supplements can and do help people. they must be taken responsibly, however, and homework and research need to be done, as well as consulting with a physician and having routine blood work/check-ups done to monitor health.

    i am just as disturbed about these findings as anyone else. however, i just can't understand why so many people are quick to jump on a bandwagon to badmouth these supplements when so many other medications (many of which are promoted and advertised on television/radio on a regular basis) can cause just as many problems.

    simply my .02. i hope i don't get flamed too badly for voicing my opinion. i know i can't be the ONLY one who feels this way....
  3. by   WYDiceDancer
    Quote from moncj66
    Well, I know my friend is using the stuff and I spoke to her in class yesterday about it because I remember she recommended me to try the stuff because she lost over 30 pounds using it and is a size 2 now. I never tried it, because it sounded like it was very unsafe but she said that she will NOT stop using it because 23 cases its not alot and she doesn't want to gain the weight back..I find this even more disturbing....yikes...
    Lovely comment on todays society, "I'd rather be dead than fat/a size 6". So sad .
  4. by   hypocaffeinemia
    Quote from Vaxene
    i'd have to see the complete research on the stuff to completely side with those who are against the stuff. i've taken it in the past (was actually the hydroxycut 'hardcore' version) and there are specific instructions on taking it, all of which i followed and had no ill effects. anyone who chooses to take supplements should do as much research as they can before beginning any type of supplement/diet/exercise regimine. one of the main points to address when taking this stuff is to maintain hydration. i know of people that took this stuff and never stayed hydrated resulting in rhabdomyolysis. to look at a supplement such as hydroxycut and say that it is potentially deadly and should be banned/pulled from shelves/picketed against/whatever else you want to do against it is utter nonsense. look at the statistics on those with detrimental side-effects from using other "natural" substances or one of many prescription medications that can and do cause life-threatening conditions such as many statins, antibiotics, and a lengthy list of others.

    i'm not saying one should or should not take any OTC supplement or medication just to lose weight, be stronger, look better, be healthier or anything else for that matter. when taken correctly and not abused, many of these supplements can and do help people. they must be taken responsibly, however, and homework and research need to be done, as well as consulting with a physician and having routine blood work/check-ups done to monitor health.

    i am just as disturbed about these findings as anyone else. however, i just can't understand why so many people are quick to jump on a bandwagon to badmouth these supplements when so many other medications (many of which are promoted and advertised on television/radio on a regular basis) can cause just as many problems.

    simply my .02. i hope i don't get flamed too badly for voicing my opinion. i know i can't be the ONLY one who feels this way....
    The difference between supplements like hydroxycut and prescription medications is that while we acknowledge the prescription medications have risks, they also have thoroughly demonstrated via double-blinded studies effects.

    Hydroxycut, et al. has yet to come anywhere close to meeting the same burden of proof for either benefits or risks. Taking anything that has not been subjected to scientific rigor is a crapshoot at best. It's in the manufacturers' best interests to keep such products on the shelves as long as possible, which means overstating the positives and understating the negatives. Supplements are a several billion dollar industry, mind you.
  5. by   keithjones
    Hydroxycut has been on the market at least 15 years that I know of and now we hear about 1 possible death. how many livers have failed due to tylenol in that time. swine flu, hydroxycut... all distractions from the horrible job the Obama administration is doing in almost every arena. regular flu and tylenol have killed more and recieved less attention!
  6. by   Vaxene
    Quote from hypocaffeinemia
    The difference between supplements like hydroxycut and prescription medications is that while we acknowledge the prescription medications have risks, they also have thoroughly demonstrated via double-blinded studies effects.

    Hydroxycut, et al. has yet to come anywhere close to meeting the same burden of proof for either benefits or risks. Taking anything that has not been subjected to scientific rigor is a crapshoot at best. It's in the manufacturers' best interests to keep such products on the shelves as long as possible, which means overstating the positives and understating the negatives. Supplements are a several billion dollar industry, mind you.
    i agree with that, too. supplements may be a billion dollar industry, but it's just that....an industry. you think half the medications (prescription) that are on the market are REALLY necessary?? who's to say that some of these meds won't be proven to cause cancer in the next 5, 10, even 20 years? guess what the pharaceutical companies are.....industries. everyone's out to make the next buck. all of the ingredients are on the labels of supplements (the ones i take, anyway). every individual should research these ingredients and know how they affect the body. guess what ingredient labels come on prescription bottles and in the packaging from pharmacies?? not much that any layperson can really understand.

    people are going to have to agree to disagree on this issue. i believe some of these supplements can and do help some people. i do also think that some can hurt others. i ALSO think that there are more complications/fatalities in this country from medications as common as tylenol, aspirin, coumadin, and whatever other ones you can think of than most any OTC supplement you can find. tell people you're giving them low doses of rat poison because it will help them avoid blood clots due to atrial fib and see what they say. anything can be put down as the worst poison ever or praised as the best miracle treatment. it's all in who's got the money to promote the product....
  7. by   hypocaffeinemia
    Quote from Vaxene
    i agree with that, too. supplements may be a billion dollar industry, but it's just that....an industry. you think half the medications (prescription) that are on the market are REALLY necessary?? who's to say that some of these meds won't be proven to cause cancer in the next 5, 10, even 20 years? guess what the pharaceutical companies are.....industries. everyone's out to make the next buck.
    While they are both industries, you realize that one has severely limited access to market courtesy of strict governmental regulation whilst the other is a free for all, right?


    tell people you're giving them low doses of rat poison because it will help them avoid blood clots due to atrial fib and see what they say.
    I'd explain that warfarin's anti-rodent properties are caused by exhibiting the same anticoagulation properties on a much larger scale due to an increased dosage effectively equivalent to a human taking several gram's worth at a time.
  8. by   ToxicShock
    That commercial with the "new doctor" who has signed his seal of approval on this drug always makes me laugh. I can't imagine any REAL doctor in his/her right mind who would approve of such a thing (unless they're an idiot.)

    I'm not really surprised that this warning has now been put in place and I'm glad for it - hopefully no more stupid commercials and fake doctors!

    I gotta say though, I'm not surprised that people are gullible enough to take such a product. We're living in a world where people sue fast food places because their coffee is too hot, after all...
  9. by   Vaxene
    Quote from hypocaffeinemia
    While they are both industries, you realize that one has severely limited access to market courtesy of strict governmental regulation whilst the other is a free for all, right?



    I'd explain that warfarin's anti-rodent properties are caused by exhibiting the same anticoagulation properties on a much larger scale due to an increased dosage effectively equivalent to a human taking several gram's worth at a time.
    i DO agree that they have differences in what is regulated and what is not. HOWEVER, walk down any supplement/vitamin aisle at your local wal-mart or pharmacy and look at all of the pills/capsules/tablets that are sold with no regulations and are all ASSUMED safe until something happens and everyone tries to point the finger at someone else; no one taking responsibility for the fact that they took the pills themselves WITHOUT researching everything they can about what they're ingesting. even prescription pills that ARE regulated, though, have been released to the market, prescribed/sold/taken and then found out that there are major side-effects and pulled (see: phen-fen, some fentanyl duragesic patches, viagra and the possibility of blindness....just to name a few). just my opinion again, though.

    and about the warfarin/coumadin.....how many times have you tried to explain to family and patients medications that they are being given, what they do, and why they are getting them and the family is TOTALLY confused about everything and continue asking a million questions while only hearing the parts of your answers that they WANT to hear? i know that it happens to me daily in my ICU unit. people will hear "anti-rodent" and that is about it. try to explain to the layperson "anticoagulation" and see how well that works for you. again, though, only MY opinion....
  10. by   Vaxene
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    Last edit by Vaxene on May 5, '09 : Reason: Duplicate post
  11. by   Vaxene
    Quote from hypocaffeinemia
    While they are both industries, you realize that one has severely limited access to market courtesy of strict governmental regulation whilst the other is a free for all, right?



    I'd explain that warfarin's anti-rodent properties are caused by exhibiting the same anticoagulation properties on a much larger scale due to an increased dosage effectively equivalent to a human taking several gram's worth at a time.
    i DO agree that they have differences in what is regulated and what is not. HOWEVER, walk down any supplement/vitamin aisle at your local wal-mart or pharmacy and look at all of the pills/capsules/tablets that are sold with no regulations and are all ASSUMED safe until something happens and everyone tries to point the finger at someone else; no one taking responsibility for the fact that they took the pills themselves WITHOUT researching everything they can about what they're ingesting. even prescription pills that ARE regulated, though, have been released to the market, prescribed/sold/taken and then found out that there are major side-effects and pulled (see: phen-fen, some fentanyl duragesic patches, viagra and the possibility of blindness....just to name a few). just my opinion again, though.

    and about the warfarin/coumadin.....how many times have you tried to explain to family and patients medications that they are being given, what they do, and why they are getting them and the family is TOTALLY confused about everything and continue asking a million questions while only hearing the parts of your answers that they WANT to hear? i know that it happens to me daily in my ICU unit. people will hear "anti-rodent" and that is about it. try to explain to the layperson "anticoagulation" and see how well that works for you. again, though, only MY opinion....

    Edit: some of the prescription pills found to have side-effects are not pulled (ex. Viagra) because the benefits (well, you know what the benefits to Viagra are) outweigh the risks (blindness).....haha
    Last edit by Vaxene on May 5, '09 : Reason: correction
  12. by   I love my cat!
    Quote from keithjones
    Hydroxycut has been on the market at least 15 years that I know of and now we hear about 1 possible death. how many livers have failed due to tylenol in that time. swine flu, hydroxycut... all distractions from the horrible job the Obama administration is doing in almost every arena. regular flu and tylenol have killed more and recieved less attention!
    ...was wondering how long it would be before someone posted the connection between Hydroxycut and Obama.
  13. by   Vaxene
    Quote from I love my cat!
    ...was wondering how long it would be before someone posted the connection between Hydroxycut and Obama.
    not too sure i can connect and/or relate hydroxycut to Obama's administration. he's only been in office for several months. i have my own issues with the country's "choice" of President, but I've had issues with many others, too. that's for another board, though.

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