Bill Would Let Patients Pick Nurse Gender - page 5

JUNEAU, Alaska -- Faith Myers, an Anchorage woman with schizophrenia, has been in and out of mental institutions since 2000. She said she felt violated during the time she spent at the Alaska... Read More

  1. by   stevierae
    Quote from earle58
    i certainly think it's absurd to be mandated into a law but it should also go w/o saying that if a pt. requests a specific gender, then that request should try and be honored.
    and yes, the pt. can refuse care.
    i personally would not allow a male cna/nurse do my pericare; that's me and there are reasons for it.
    my pcp is female and any gyn i would go to, would have to be female.
    but to make it into law? not necessary at all.


    I agree. I know that in the O.R.s where I've worked, whenever staff members need surgery, they always pick the crew that will be in the room--and, for some reason, the guys always tend to choose an all male crew. I think, perhaps, they are overly sensitive about their female colleagues seeing their overweight middle aged bodies naked--or catheterizing them; I'm sure they think we are scrutinizing the size of their, uh, equipment and broadcasting the measurements around the hospital--but, hey, who am I to criticize them? I don't. I think they should be entitled to whatever makes them less anxious for surgery. I think all patients should have this right. I'd always honor it. Elderly people, especially, grew up with, perhaps, a different sense of modesty than we did--let's try to respect that as much as we can, is my philosophy.

    I don't think a law is needed---just allow all patients to request whatever their special needs in that particular regard are, and accomodate it to the best of our abilities.

    LOL, I remember when I was having my first baby at 24 and a guy nursing student was going to give me an enema. I found that a little embarrassing, but I certainly didn't make a fuss--just asked him politely if I could do it myself, and he was just fine with that.
  2. by   live4today
    I can see the law in place now on the admission forms in the near future.................

    Hello Mr (Mrs) (Ms) so and so, I'm the Charge Nurse this shift, and I'll be taking your admission preferences before I assign a nurse to you. If you'll just answer the following questions as truthfully as possible, we can start your care as soon as possible. Do you prefer..................

    coffee, tea, or milk?

    male nurse or female Nurse?

    short nurse or tall nurse?

    Fit or fat?

    Any preference in color or ethnic culture?

    Young nurse or older nurse?

    Democrat or Republican?

  3. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Coke or Pepsi?
  4. by   live4today
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    Coke or Pepsi?
    diet or regular?
  5. by   Spidey's mom
    Diet Coke with lime.

  6. by   Email4KH
    The legislation calls for patients' selection of nurse based on their gender. Wouldn't it make more sense for nurses to be required to declare their sexual preferences and allow patients to use that as their basis for nurse selection? This is ridiculous.
  7. by   patrickwrencher
    If you are flouridly psychotic it doesn't matter what gender your nurse happens to be--you are sick and you need someone to be your advocate.

    This represents another "fear tactic" that our public officials seem to use to push legislation through. Nurses are among the most trusted professions so there is no reason for the public to be concerned or fearful.

    If our senators want a special project...they should improve the quality of healthcare because this legislation will not accomplish that goal.
  8. by   xrockstheheart
    I thought that 95% of nurses are women? What do I know.
  9. by   Candidnt
    This is the problem I have most frequently faced as a nurse and as a male. Now that I'm in PA (yes, there are prudes here) it's not quite as bad, but it's worse in the south. Another reason I had to get out of there. I frequently had problems taking care of female patients because of their "prudishness". Yet it never occurred to them that male doctors were doing exams on them, and seeing parts I'd end up seeing in my care duties. I think part of this problem is this gender of labor division thing that seems to be persistent in our culture. Especially among older people, but it does exist to a lesser degree in the young. Though, female doctors have a less difficult time than male nurses do. I had frequently observed in the south that patients would refer to a male doctor as "Dr. So and So, while to the female, they'd refer to her as "that woman doctor". But male nurses? We may as well have been from another planet. Now, I never shied away from my duties with female patients unless I felt it would be a problem (like a female with a psych history, and surprisingly? I have come across tons of those in my years). But if I thought something was going to happen that involved somebody's "special parts", I always insisted on having a female present. Sometimes that helped. One time, it didn't. And, I'm GLAD I had a female present.

    I was working at a major hospital in North Carolina, this must have been about ten years ago. I can't remember what the lady's problem was; though she was a telemetry patient. She had been incontinent of urine; the aid was working alone with her and having difficulty (she was a big woman who didn't want to hellp with turning) so I came to the rescue. I ended up having to do a bit of wiping when we turned her in the opposite direction, but we got her clean, and that was that. I took care of her the rest of the night, without event. Before I go on, let me say that this woman who said she couldn't move, was caught dangling at the side of the bed (I guess she didn't think we could see her unless we were in the room). Anyway, the next day, I found out that she had complained, as did her family, that she felt offended and (here goes) "violated" that I had been present and that I had touched her near her private area (of course my eyes were rolling at this point), but the family said she was to have no male nurse present. So I did not get that room back that night. It was a semi-private room, and the other lady was not a problem, but still, I didn't get the room. The charge nurse took that room.
    Later that shift, one of the charge nurse's patients went into crisis. It went on for an extended period of time. So, I took over her other duties, and cared for her other patients. Early on in the course of things, that lady's IV had started going off. The other nurse wasn't able to break away to fix it. I did not go near that side of the room. The curtains between the beds were drawn, so I was able to care for the other woman. I apologized for not being able to turn off the IV; she looked up at me, smiled, and said "that's okay, I understand". Not long after, that lady (the one I wasn't to go near) called out for pain medication. I told her I'd let her nurse know. Well, her nurse was never able to break away to give the pain medicine. I was an LPN at the time, and could be present at a crisis, but she had to be present too, so she couldn't leave. This woman waited almost two hours for her pain medicine. Which i could have easily given her, had it not been for her stupidity and sexism. She got what she asked for. More recently I have thought back on that experience, and remembering she was on telemetry, I remember thinking that she should be glad she lived through thta hospitalization (i'm sure, given the state of her health then, that she's dead now), and her family should be glad at well. Had one of the telemetry techs called telling us she had an arrhythmia, do you think for one second I would have gone near her? Absolutely not. No men means no men. She would have been knock knock knocking on heaven's door, because if she ever thought her first semi-conscious memory was of me standing over her, there would have went my livelihood, my career, etc. I worked too hard to sacrifice that for some stupid senseless neurosis driven woman.

    Women have clamored for years for "equal rights". It works BOTH ways. I myself have never seen an instance in which a male refused care from a woman, and I have been in many places and many situations. Yet women can do it and get away with it. Pass a law allowing them to pick the gender of their caregivers? Those "women" should be fortunate that anybody is available to care for them at all. This would be up there with passing a law allowing a man to refuse to ride in a car in which there is a female driver, or trying to pass laws that said that there must be equal representation of sexes in all fields (regardless on an individual's interests and aptitudes, etc). As for the schizophrenic who is pushing to have this law passed? Her doc needs to triple her Haldol or Thorazine or whatever she's on. And the representator or senator (whatever) and a bunch of women need to get hit with the "clue bus".
    Last edit by Candidnt on Apr 20, '05
  10. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    As for the schizophrenic who is pushing to have this law passed? Her doc needs to triple her Haldol or Thorazine or whatever she's on.
    Gee, that'll help things out. Not.
  11. by   leslie :-D

    1. as i've stated, i don't think it should be made into law but i do believe in respecting a patient's request if it's going to embarrass them or relive some prior events in the life that makes the pt. adamant about not receiving care from a nurse of the opposite sex.

    2. i found your statement offensive re: the schizophrenic pt. and tripling her meds. as marie stated, that wouldn't help the situation and such derogatory statements only serve to widen the gap.

  12. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    as i've stated, i don't think it should be made into law but i do believe in respecting a patient's request if it's going to embarrass them or relive some prior events in the life that makes the pt. adamant about not receiving care from a nurse of the opposite sex
  13. by   shah
    We already comply with such requests, however, lawmakers these days seem to have too much time on their hands and meddle with all kinds of business they have no business with.