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  1. by   loriangel14
    FYI. Canada does have med-flights. Recently there was an accident outside of the smallish town where I work and the helicopter was there to pick up a victim.
  2. by   oramar
    Quote from loriangel14
    FYI. Canada does have med-flights. Recently there was an accident outside of the smallish town where I work and the helicopter was there to pick up a victim.
    I think a lot of American's make statements about the Canadian health system when they don't know anything about it. They do not understand how far British Columbia is from say Toronto because they don't know anything about geograpy let alone Canadian health system. From what I read the health care varies by region a great deal. It might be kinda hard to get a life flight up near the artic circle but it is not a third world country and these things are avalible in the big cities
  3. by   DrugReptoNurse
    Health care has NEVER been a right. If you can find for me in our Constitution where health care is a given right please let me know. I have yet to find it.

    Health care is a privilege. It is just like everything else. If you want it, you pay for it.

    Should having a Bentley convertible be a right just because I want it? I mean, I would look great driving it and I really want it but, should I have the government pay for it just because I want it?

    No!!!

    Work hard and EARN money to pay for your healthcare.

    I am frustrated with those of a sense of entitlement. Somebody has to pay for a one payer system. I pay my own health premiums now, as I am a student. A forty year old student with a prior health condition...but I pay for it. Why should somebody else have to pay my insurance premiums? They shouldn't and I wouldn't ask anybody to do it for me. Have some pride in yourself and take care of yourself. It is the AMERICAN way.
  4. by   erichRN
    Continuing the discussion... The United States has, by far, the best healthcare system in the world, period. What has in the past and will in the future make it better is free market economics. The reverse will, and is, destroying it. This does not mean that we are callous. It means we are free to be compassionate with what we have, because we have it and are able.
  5. by   mcleanl
    DrugReptoNurse......health care is a privilege??? If that is the case then every hospital should have the "right" to refuse care to those that cannot afford it.

    And comparing a Bentley to medical care.....seriously.....
  6. by   mcleanl
    Quote from erichRN
    Continuing the discussion... The United States has, by far, the best healthcare system in the world, period. What has in the past and will in the future make it better is free market economics. The reverse will, and is, destroying it. This does not mean that we are callous. It means we are free to be compassionate with what we have, because we have it and are able.

    ErichRN...can you support this claim? It appears that the WHO (2000) has the US ranked as number 37.

    http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-healthcare.htm
  7. by   blue note
    Quote from drew9319
    ok..first off. 46 million people w/o heath care. 1 million of these were not citizens of the US. 10 million of these did not work at all. lets get the emotions out of this debate.
    Yeah, I have read that conservative interpretation of those stats before, and sorry, even with that, that means "only" 35 million Americans don't have health insurance, still unacceptable to me.

    Should having a Bentley convertible be a right just because I want it? I mean, I would look great driving it and I really want it but, should I have the government pay for it just because I want it?
    Again, heard that one too. The comparison fails because we want health care to be affordable for all, not that government should pay for it all. Also, if you don't own a Bentley, it won't hurt or kill you. Not having health insurance on the other hand may lead to major consequences for one's health and life.



    The United States has, by far, the best healthcare system in the world, period.
    It is, for those who have good coverage provided by their employers. God help everyone else.
    Last edit by sirI on May 22, '09
  8. by   blue note
    Since it's obvious that the same arguments are going to be tossed out, this thread - Five single-payer protestors arrested (Nurses, Docs) - already had a debate on the issues. At least until it got off-topic. I'm tired of reading the same old right-wing talking points, and responding to them.
  9. by   GiGiOm
    I would love to see affordable health care for everyone. It's a huge need here. Unless you're an employee in this country or so wealthy you can be self-insured, you're pretty much screwed. That means small businesses, the self-employed, and those who cannot afford their employer's plan. So tired of the uninformed blasting their opinions deriding other health care systems, when they have not done their homework. We need reform. Unfortunately, we don't seem to have a culture that supports it. Too many people out there have the "looking out for myself and screw everybody else" attitude. THAT is the biggest barrier to reform. For those of you who are insured, I hope you don't lose your job and come down with a condition that makes you an insurance outcast. It's senseless that medical bills are still the number one cause of personal bankruptcy in this country!
  10. by   Junebugfairy
    i buy my own health coverage, i have been doing this since age 18.
    i have asthma, crohns disease, and other serious health conditions. i pay 300$ a month for my coverage, but i would not trade it for a 'single payer system'.

    i do not like the idea of a 'single payer only' system. i like the idea of a system that provides help to those who cannot afford coverage.

    i like my insurance coverage, and i am sure if others had such good protection that was affordable for them, they would enjoy it too.

    single payer? no.. make ins affordable for those who cannot afford it, that way they are making an investment in themselves, and it is not all on the gov.
  11. by   doesanyoneknowwhy
    I know that in Canada, if you are not showing some sort of responsibiiy that you are eating and exersing according to their food pyramid, your insurance is higher, and you are not allowed the free medical care if you show no progression to losing weight. Like their smoking cessation program here in the United States, the cessations program is free-(at the US health departments)--a week at a time, as long as you show progression and keep your therapy session appointments, the longer you go for improvement then the health prevention and promotion if free.

    This is Canada is all about, health care prevention and promotion, especially primary care--and this is one area of healthcare the US has yet to get a grip on. Same whay with healthcare in the UK, it is awesome, people there eat whole fruits and vegetables, and their fruits and vegetables are provided to them for free, only if each time they check in with their doctor which is everyweek, and if they show progression in lossing weight, then they get free vegetables and fruits and grains for free. So, America has a long way to go.

    Our children are fat, and the school cafaterias are still serving unhealthy foods, in Canada, 60% of a child's lunch meal, has to be fresh a fresh fruit and fresh vegetables, they cannot be from canner or frozen, FRESH ONLY, and Canada has great control of their obesity issues.

    So, by nothing but FRESH WHOLE FRUITS and VEGETABLES , and you will be healthy, everybody is going to have to do this. Mothers are making healthy choices when they go to the grocery store. They are buying fat meats, chips, candy, cakes JUNK!!!!

    I watched on tv a programs where a doctor was blaming the medical profession for NOT EDUCATION THE PATIENT < THE PUBLIC on good health practices, like healthy eating habits , and daily exercise. As nurses we come in contact with those who are obese everyday in the hospital, and nurses are responsbile to educate those how to eat properly, as well a dietary too, but nursing have to model that role of being healthy and fit, not obese, otherwise, they have no business preaching to the patient.
  12. by   DrugReptoNurse
    McCleanl,

    If that is the case then every hospital should have the "right" to refuse care to those that cannot afford it.

    I am in agreement with that statement. Should every restaurant you visit have to give you food because you are hungry? Should every gas station give you free gas because your tank is on empty? I say NO...HELL NO!

    When did people in this country begin to believe just because you want it or need it....you have to have it given to you.

    Yes, I firmly believe if a hospital does not accept Medicare/Medicaid and the patient can not pay....then they have the RIGHT to not serve that patient.
  13. by   mrsrlg
    Whatever one's beliefs are regarding capitalist versus socialist society, whether one is Republican or Democrat or Independent, whether one has or does not have insurance, whether we differ on the current health care system or we redefine what makes up an acceptable and good system, whether something is outlined in the Constitution or not, the fact remains that health care SHOULD be a human right. What about the idea that human suffering is unacceptable, regardless of a person's lot in life? Just because someone doesn't have health care coverage doesn't mean they don't work hard or that they are lesser of a person, only that they are not offered it, would rather use the money to put food on the table, just basically can't afford it, etc. Also, how many stories are there out there where someone actually had coverage, but was denied the treatment they needed, met their maximum lifetime limits of their coverage, was made to take a medication other than the one prescribed, etc.

    I don't think anyone is looking for a free for all health care system in the U.S. Perhaps single-payer is not the way to go? However, there are something like 36-40 million people without, if not more, and many who have insurance who are not adequately covered, so surely there MUST be something better? Perhaps clamping down on useless lawsuits would help, which affects insurance rates? Perhaps identifying those who abuse the system by some means might help? Perhaps educating people would help? Perhaps providing some preventative medicine would help? Just saying that one is deserving because he/she has health care and the rest, those without, are undeserving because they don't just comes across as elitist. Your health care coverage works for you now and you may defend everything about it, but perhaps a little empathy for those who are not so fortunate? - walk for a minute in the shoes of those without.

    Anyhow, I read this article/essay on NPR. While the doctor who wrote it was not talking about the U.S., I think what he said applies anywhere:

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=98460202

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