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Nursing Graduates No Longer In High Demand

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klocl has 25 years experience and specializes in Community Health, Clinical Instructor.

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I realize that NO job is a sure thing. However, it really upsets me to see so many highly-qualified RNs unable to land a position, yet the USA seems to feel foreign nurses deserve a chance. That's very wrong.

I agree. It is no different than moving all of our industry overseas, outsourcing our medical transcription overseas, outsourcing our radiology overseas, etc. I believe it is about pay and benefits, plain and simple. We need to take control of our profession, upgrade nursing to a billable/reimbursable service, and stop allowing ourselves to be seen and treated as middlemen or hired labor.

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I agree. It is no different than moving all of our industry overseas, outsourcing our medical transcription overseas, outsourcing our radiology overseas, etc. I believe it is about pay and benefits, plain and simple. We need to take control of our profession, upgrade nursing to a billable/reimbursable service, and stop allowing ourselves to be seen and treated as middlemen or hired labor.

I agree. It completely bewilders me. For such a valued profession, many nurses put up with way too much abuse.

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dlatimer specializes in ICU, MS, Radiology, Long term care.

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To me the problem with experienced nurses unemployment is very clear. Health care is a profit industry. If you can have the same labor with lowered costs, then why wouldn't you? The accreditation agencies look at number of licensed nurses, not experience/competence. It is against the corporate culture to allow anyone who understands this and wants to change it for the benefit of the patient, not the corporation.

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klocl has 25 years experience and specializes in Community Health, Clinical Instructor.

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Good point. But another competing trend I see is the requirement to have certifications, certifications, certifications. For as many areas of nursing possible, there are certifications that seemingly the employer now wants. I get it that it reduces law suits. So where I'm struggling is, the employer is paying for these cerifications (if the nurse was employed with them originally), but for the outside applicant, the certifications are a requirement for application, but no additional pay comes with that cert. And some of these programs are expensive!

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well **** this is really discouraging to hear--kind of suspected that this was the case but ignored it because I was trying so hard to get into the program--I just recieved my acceptance yesterday--rah rah! *** am I gonna do now? continue working as a telemarketer? great!

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mrluciano2u,

Not joking when I say don't quit your current job. Take your nursing classes p.m if available. But do not quit that job.

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nyteshade has 17 years experience and specializes in A lil bit of this and a lil bit of that.

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All I can say is, oh really?

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All I can say is this is the saddest thing to me. My daughter's boyfriend just graduated Summa Cum Laude from a very good university, yet continues to have to work for his dad in a tree removal service. He's very sad about it, but continues to hold on and look for jobs in his field.

Something extremely wrong w/ this country when we can't find work for the best of our young people.

I'm so tired about hearing about outsourcing and importing foreign workers. This is just absolutely treasonous IMO. Then again, we manufacture nothing anymore in this country, and you can't prop up an economy with only service type jobs.

We really need to identify the forces at work here. I realize Medicaid/Medicare woes are also at the heart of this, as well as the bad economy.

I feel also there are too many unpaying customers nowadays -- those w/o insurance and illegals getting free care. This just cannot bode well for the bottom line. And yes, hospitals are for profit, and they are a business. You just dont' do this for free, and they can't hire us without funds. But I ask -- who are we treating, why, and who will pay for the treatment of those who don't pay?? We pay for it in terms of lost jobs and wages. It needs to stop.

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dlatimer specializes in ICU, MS, Radiology, Long term care.

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SoundofMusic, Sorry to hear about your daughter's boyfriend. It seems to be happening a lot. I agree that there should be compensation for treating ill/injured people. Should we not treat them? Would they get sicker and then require higher cost medical intervention? Just let them die? Let the injured ones become disabled and unable to work? Would that cause a greater burden on health care facilities? Would that increase taxes on those that can afford health insurance? Would not treating those who don't have the money or resources decrease the number of people able to work and therefore pay taxes? I don't have any good answers, just some thoughts.

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smartnurse1982 has 7 years experience.

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My gut feeling is ADN programs should be dissolved and are the source of the current RN supply/demand problems.

Too many schools, churning out too many new grads...time to make BSN the point of entry. You can't become a lawyer, doctor, heck even an NP in 5 yrs (conversion to DNP) without years of schooling....why does 2 yrs of school allow entry to a now prestigious profession like nursing? BSN is already becoming the defacto entry point for new grads anyway.

Some previous poster said 80% of the RNs in her hospital were ADN...thats the opposite in New York. Major metropolitans are trending towards hiring BSNs at major teaching hospitals anyways. I am seeing alot of "BSN preferred" job postings etc.

But don't forget,we still have lpn programs.

With that being said, it is an employeer's market. Employers would still be able to pick the cheapest person to get the job done.

So that's why I think we should dissolve both lpn and adn programs.

One type of education, one title,all united.

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smartnurse1982 has 7 years experience.

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Not to be mean but what or who gave you guys the impression that nursing jobs were a sure thing? The whole economy is ***** why would nurses be exempt? If you are only going into nursing for the money/security eventually you will be disappointed. I left 8 years in IT to pursue this profession because I investigated and discovered it's something I enjoy. I made more money in IT

then I probably will as an RN until I have many years of experience, but it's something I look forward to. And the whole ADN vs BSN is a crap argument, everyone on here has worked with good and bad RNs with both degrees. There are several BSN programs here that regularly turn out BSN grads who spent so long in book work their IV skills, Assessment Skills, people skills and general critical thinking skills were woefully inadequate for working my unit (ER). While there are ADN students who weren't all there as well, generally the ADN students were better prepared skill wise. I mean what good does management and delegation skills classes help you as a new grad? It will be 2 to 5 years before you will be an experienced nurse anyway and frankly I don't want an inexperienced charge nurse or manager on my unit just because she has a BSN, I want someone who has experience and skills to set a good example, I have met these type of nurses with either degree under their belts. Just my :twocents:

I would like to know what profession out there expects new grads to hit the floor with all skills intact? No one learns all the skills needed to preform the job successfully? None. Its impossible. Those things are learned on the job.

So,would you be doing this if you made $7.75 an hour?never knock someone elses reasons for becoming a nurse.

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Bobbkat specializes in NICU.

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I agree with Smartnurse. I can't speak for all new grads, but I can say that I did not expect to be 'handed' anything. I did, however expect that realistically I would be able to land a interview prior to hitting the 200 application submitted mark, instead of continuous rejection because I have no professional RN experience. I also never expected to have a charge or management position as my first job. In fact, I'd be terrified if that were the case. Yes, I have a BSN, yes I took management and leadership coursework. No, that doesn't make me qualified to run a unit. And for the record, I inserted quite a few iv's and foleys during clinical. I don't understand why people automatically seem to think BSN = no actual clinical time with patients.

Being upset about being unable to secure a job has absolutely nothing to do with 'only being in nursing for the money'. It has to do with working my a$$ off for years only to realize that every door is being slammed in my face. And on a side not, if someone DID go into nursing for the money, I don't see how that makes a difference, honestly. Being unemployed sucks. Being unable to secure an interview sucks. Your intentions behind WHY you are seeking said position really don't have anything to do with it, IMHO.

Finally I have started getting interviews. Apparently 200 was the magic number, which I happen to think is a bit ridiculous.

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