Cheating in the Classroom - page 2
Students who cheat also run the risk of being expelled, if caught. Cheating is problematic from an ethical standpoint, in that students who cheat in school will likely behave unethically in real life... Read More
May 5, '09Joined: Feb '09; Posts: 39; Likes: 20I saw some classmates cheatting as well during a test and they were not even shine about it, I think these people should never become nurses because is clear that they do not have any idea of what ethics are. I can not imagine pts in their hands. It is clear that they do not understand the true meaning of the word "NURSE".:angryfire
May 6, '09Occupation: Nurse Educator Specialty: 16 year(s) of experience in Gerontological, cardiac, med-surg, peds ; From: US ; Joined: Mar '01; Posts: 12,037; Likes: 6,467Quote from XYcsccSNWow. This is very poor planning on the part of the nursing school administration. All of the students should have been required to take the test at the same time. If not, three DIFFERENT versions of the HESI test should have been administered. I wonder if the HESI company has any policy concerning this? Were the instructors aware that all this "collaboration" was going on, compromising the integrity of the test?Or how about HESI cheating. We were divided into three groups to take the HESI with a lime limit of a couple of hours. The first group started at 830, the second started at 1130, and the third group started at 1300. By the time the 1300 group started, their buddies had already called them with “heads up” on questions that were on the exam.
I heard of an instance where a class was given a "closed book" examination online. The students were told they were on their honor and to avoid collaboration and looking at their textbooks and notes. The results were very predictable: Rampant out-in-the open cheating. My university has a policy forbidding instructors to give unproctored tests online, to help avoid such scenarios.
May 6, '09Occupation: RN-Long Term Care From: US ; Joined: Mar '09; Posts: 16; Likes: 3I am a recent grad and in my school it would have been very difficult to cheat. The pre-req. classes it wouldn't be hard but the nursing classes VERY hard. You are not allowed to bring in anything to the testing center, not even your own pencil, (believe it or not someone took the time to write info all over their pencil), if you are going to take that much time why not just learn it.
I HATE it when people try to take the easy road. It hurts the individual in the end, I know if I had cheated my way through school I would not have been able to pass boards on the first try. I couldn't imagine anyone could guess their way to a passing grade.
May 6, '09Occupation: Licensed Practical Nurse Specialty: Community Health, Med-Surg, Home Health ; From: US ; Joined: Sep '05; Posts: 9,297; Likes: 8,221My anatomy instructor said one time that he was wondering why on at least three occasions in a row that people kept looking at the ceiling until during the 3rd exam, he looked up himself and saw that someone actually wrote the answers to the tests on the ceiling. He said it was so amazing because it was a HIGH ceiling! Since then, for awhile, he would never announce the room an exam would be in. He'd leave a note on the door of our regular classroom telling us where to meet on exam days.
May 6, '09Occupation: Nurse Educator Specialty: 16 year(s) of experience in Gerontological, cardiac, med-surg, peds ; From: US ; Joined: Mar '01; Posts: 12,037; Likes: 6,467Quote from pagandeva2000OMG! Some of these "creative" forms of cheating take so much time and effort, that actually studying for the test would be easier I heard of an instance where a student actually broke into an instructor's office to steal a copy of the test. (Climbed up the wall and went in through an open window.) The outcome was not so good for this student, as he was caught in the act.My anatomy instructor said one time that he was wondering why on at least three occasions in a row that people kept looking at the ceiling until during the 3rd exam, he looked up himself and saw that someone actually wrote the answers to the tests on the ceiling. He said it was so amazing because it was a HIGH ceiling! Since then, for awhile, he would never announce the room an exam would be in. He'd leave a note on the door of our regular classroom telling us where to meet on exam days.
May 6, '09Occupation: Nurse Educator Specialty: 16 year(s) of experience in Gerontological, cardiac, med-surg, peds ; From: US ; Joined: Mar '01; Posts: 12,037; Likes: 6,467Quote from KateRN1You bring up an important point. Plagiarism is another very common form of cheating, in that a student is stealing another individual's ideas and hard work. Most colleges and universities have strict policies and severe penalties regarding plagiarism. Here are just a few examples:I taught briefly in an LPN program and cheating was rampant there, as well. The policy was that confirmed cheaters were to fail the class and would need to reapply to the program for the next year. Sadly, had that actually been implemented, we would not have had a graduating class for the two years that I was there. Although exams were well-proctored, I would estimate that 90% or more plagiarized their term papers, at least in part, and the majority of them cut and pasted entired paragraphs from the internet. Several turned in papers that were printed directly from the source, complete with web address at the bottom, and one went so far as to purchse his. What a disappointment.
Academic Honor Policy
Plagiarism: The Unforgivable Sin
Cheating 101: Detecting Plagiarized Papers
Detecting Plagiarism Resources
Some schools go so far as to forbid "Self-Plagiarism" - using your own original work already submitted in one class for an entirely different assignment in another class.
This article has some great advice on detecting plagiarism in student papers: http://www.awpwriter.org/magazine/writers/mbugeja01.htm One simple but effective method is to insert a few key sentences from a suspect paper into a metasearch engine such as dogpile.comLast edit by VickyRN on May 6, '09
May 6, '09Joined: Apr '09; Posts: 774; Likes: 349I'm not yet in a nursing program, however in the last few years I've been in school I have noticed many things that made me sad, because it seems that cheating is almost accepted by many teachers/professors.
A large part of my History class is writing papers and personal reflections on what we've read. He offered two choices when it came time for our Midterm... take it in class or a take-home exam. This guy took the time to go online to sites that search for plagiarized phrases, and what he told us was amazing. One couple who were taking the class together actually had the exact same papers. They didn't bother changing the wording, even! Another student simply took an entire page straight off of Wikipedia. Sadly, this student didn't think to actually read the page, because some joker had altered some of the information to make it so far off base that it was blatantly obvious.
I think that cheating needs to be addressed as soon as children get into school. They can't be allowed to skate through years of school cheating, and expect to get away with it once they enter into a specific program.
I sure wouldn't want someone as my nurse or CPA or lawyer who had cheated all the way through!!!
May 6, '09Occupation: Float Poo RN Specialty: Tele ; From: US ; Joined: Jan '08; Posts: 160; Likes: 141while doing my pre_reqs i sat next to a friend who was cheating on an quiz, i confronted her about it. her response was that "it was worth 25points!!!" i explained to her that her character as a person was worth more than 25points and so was our friendship. she turned herself in.
May 6, '09Occupation: Home Health Specialty: 20 year(s) of experience in COS-C, Risk Management ; From: TR ; Joined: Jun '05; Posts: 1,203; Likes: 1,038Quote from VickyRNAnd that is exactly how I discovered most of them. It's quite easy to tell when a student's "voice" isn't reflected in his/her paper. And to have a failing student turn in a paper in perfect MLA format, and then to not know that it was formatted as such, well . . . how stupid did they think I was?One simple but effective method is to insert a few key sentences from a suspect paper into a metasearch engine such as dogpile.com
Sadly, the other teachers in the program had no clue and continued to accept papers that were clearly not the students' own works. Even after I explained the easy procedure to uncover plagiarism, the director insisted that it was too much trouble or that it somehow wasn't worth it to call them out for it. I suspect that it was to prevent the loss of state funding and to make sure that we actually had some students that would graduate at the end of it. One of the many reasons I left nursing education.
How very sad, KateRN1
May 6, '09Occupation: LPN Specialty: Licensed Practical Nurse ; From: GY ; Joined: Sep '06; Posts: 737; Likes: 140i'm in the end of my first year of nursing school and my school has just had a bout of cbeating. my entire level was then penalized for the cheating even though the majority of us weren't. i can never cheat, one it takes too much time and concentration and too i'm a goner if i get caught! i guess people are desperate, real desperate, sad.
May 6, '09Joined: May '08; Posts: 73; Likes: 12I wonder about the on line testing that is becoming more prevalent in my school. It is a wonderful convenience, but how many students stick to the closed book requirement I wonder? It seems that it is the wave of the futurue, but I think it might be doing the education of nurses a disservice. What are you finding out there?
May 7, '09Joined: Oct '08; Posts: 78; Likes: 91The men in our classes developed weak bladders during tests. I'm sure their blackberries were very helpful to them. One fellow was a pied piper of cheating who also goaded other students to not participate in class, including post clinical conferences. When caught red-handed not being at a clinical he was allowed to stay in the program and is now an employed nurse. I have also witnessed employed foreign trained RNs giggle and be unable to respond to simple questions during lecture, fail basic CPR during continuing education classes then magically pass the written test all of them with one wrong minutes later. I hope that they are just nervous testers and have some sort of conscience and hone their skills.