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Nursing crisis looms as baby boomers age

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I am reading a lot of threads about new grads not being able to get jobs UNBELIEVABLE!

Their are also not a lot of LVN to RN Bridge programs. Many LVN/LPN are established with jobs who want to get their RN This is UNREAL! Maybe we should write our Senetors and Congressman/Woman

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What a contradiction. Everyone is always complaining about the shortage in Nurses and yet new grads can't find jobs. I guess its just something that isnt solved so easily. No need for the sarcasm though as there is clearly no simple solution. I was simply stating my opinion on the shortage mentioned in the article.

I menioned this aleady further up the thread, but we have a really anomolous situation right now. All the indications is that long term there is a real and structural shortage of nurses coming. But right this minute we have a relative surplus due to the recission. This happens for two reasons. One is that there is always a number of nurses who are not employed in nursing. They may be voluntarily not working, supported by a spouse, staying home with kids. Or they me be working, but not in nursing. Every time there is a recession, those other jobs and spouses jobs disappear and the nurses come back into the work force. I've seen it before, but this time, due to the depth of the recession, it's worse than normal.

The other factor is that more patients are losing their insurance with their jobs, so they aren't having elective procedures and the hospitals are cutting back on cost. And of course, they don't cut administrators or consultants, they cut nurses. Why things are a bit better in California, where the ratio law makes it a lot harder to cut nurses.

So bottom line, we have a current excess of nurses which does not change the fact that there is going to be a shortage again soon and worse than ever, which we still need to be planning for. Not simple stuff, no easy answers.

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Baby boomers do not have the pensions,medical coverage, home ownership etc of the generation before them. That generation (This is not my theory but a sociologist's) had greater than 50% union membership in the job environment in their prime work years. Even the bread truck driver could buy a house. They were born during the Depression or WWII within very low birth rates usually to wealthy parents and had no competition for jobs,education, or housing and have spent their lives telling others they are lazy or stupid or they would be as well off as they are.They are the bosses and landlords of the Boomers. So don't count on the Boomers to bring back the "shortage". Did you notice how fast extending Medicare down to Boomers was shot down? They have to wait o 67 to qualify.

I don't know where you are seeing so many over 50yo nurses running around on the floor. Please let me know as a 2 years stale new grad I would love to know so I can work there. I'm serious. Names and locales please.

There is no shortage and there will not be this is a scam to keep flooding in H1B visa nurses.

As for nursing professors getting the same pay for being staff in a hospital that is nonsense. Engineering and law professors do not get the same pay as lawyers or engineers. There comes a point when you better serve your profession for either mental or physical reasons at whatever age by going into teaching. Nursing professors do not have to worry about liability nor or they on their feet so it is a red herring to demand the same pay.

We should let CNN know that this is pure nonsense that there is a shortage. There is a huge surplus of new nurses, young and old, who have invested years and dollars in their education and come up with nothing. Not just a plane ticket from a country that really does have an inadequate number of nurses.

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I menioned this aleady further up the thread, but we have a really anomolous situation right now. All the indications is that long term there is a real and structural shortage of nurses coming. But right this minute we have a relative surplus due to the recission. This happens for two reasons. One is that there is always a number of nurses who are not employed in nursing. They may be voluntarily not working, supported by a spouse, staying home with kids. Or they me be working, but not in nursing. Every time there is a recession, those other jobs and spouses jobs disappear and the nurses come back into the work force. I've seen it before, but this time, due to the depth of the recession, it's worse than normal.

The other factor is that more patients are losing their insurance with their jobs, so they aren't having elective procedures and the hospitals are cutting back on cost. And of course, they don't cut administrators or consultants, they cut nurses. Why things are a bit better in California, where the ratio law makes it a lot harder to cut nurses.

So bottom line, we have a current excess of nurses which does not change the fact that there is going to be a shortage again soon and worse than ever, which we still need to be planning for. Not simple stuff, no easy answers.

The surplus is not just about the current recession -- because of all the "shortage" blather in recent years, and all the demand from would-be students, schools of nursing all over the US have increased their enrollments (and many new schools have opened). We're cranking out huge waves of new grads every year (twice a year, at many schools). Hospitals were starting to balk at hiring new grads even before the economy tanked, but the economy tanking was really the final straw (for the time being, that is) -- it is definitely a buyer's (employer's) market in nursing now (for the time being). Employers are not hiring many people, and they can afford to be extremely picky about who they do hire.

As others have noted, eventually things will turn around, but that's cold comfort for the recent grads who can't find jobs (and I'm sure each new article recycling the same old hooey about the "shortage" just makes them want to beat their heads against the wall ...)

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catjmoses RN has 20 years experience and specializes in Tele, Resp, CCU.

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hello,

i am a 51 year old rn of 13 years. worked hospital med-surg,tele, icu and everything inbetween! for the last 7 years i did travel nursing doing everything there! loved the traveling but alas no more travel jobs (licenses in ma, vt, and fl). i have been looking for a local hospital job for 2+ years! i live in a very rural area in western ma and i can tell you that no one is hiring (not even the nursing homes!). (except maybe new grads only!) we have seen most hospitals 'downsize'. there are 5 hospitals in a 50 (?) mi radius and i have applied many times to all of them. (i consider myself a well rounded good nurse with a lot to offer---as well as a pretty good employment record.) "rural" jobs don't exist---and like i said they don't want an experienced nurse i expect because they would have to pay me more. i currently am doing $14 /hr pvt duty 'nursing' to barely pay my bills. i am seriously thinking two options: 1--get out of nursing all together as i have been out of the hospital for 1 & 1/2 years now and my skills/knowledge level are being compromised not to mention the bad taste i have in my mouth; or 2--move to florida (i love it there) and look for work there (at least it will be warmer :) ). i can't tell you how depressing it has been for me in the last couple of years here--losing half or my income and i am a single person.

there is no nursing shortage around here. there is a nursing job shortage. cnn better get their story straight!!!!!!

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When I started RN school hospitals were offering sign-on bonuses for any warm body with a license. Now that I've graduated, I can't even get an interview. I have filed about 150 applications since September and get kicked to the curb so fast it makes my head spin. I have had my resume reviewed twice to make sure that's not the problem. This was to be a second career for me. Many places are only hiring nurses with a BSN. I'd rather be pulling my hair out WITH a job than without one.

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lou12 has 24 years experience and specializes in telemetry, ICU, cardiac rehab, education.

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I have heard about the nursing shortage for many years. I have read about the number of new grads unable to find jobs. I would like to add that I have recently moved to a new state and have had a difficult time finding a job. I think hospitals not only don't want to spend money training new grads, they also don't want to pay an experienced RN either. So this limits the number of nurses who 'fit' their profile to fill these jobs.

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When I started RN school hospitals were offering sign-on bonuses for any warm body with a license. Now that I've graduated, I can't even get an interview. I have filed about 150 applications since September and get kicked to the curb so fast it makes my head spin. I have had my resume reviewed twice to make sure that's not the problem. This was to be a second career for me. Many places are only hiring nurses with a BSN. I'd rather be pulling my hair out WITH a job than without one.

I also started nursing school at this time when hospitals were offering sign-on bonuses and tuition reimbursement. Now I am scared to death that I took 4 years away from being with my family and may not have a better income to show for THEIR sacrifices. Also, I remember the VERY first day of our nursing program...sophomore year, Older Adult class. The instructor told us over and over how we "will be able to graduate and pick your hours and your specialty." Then she becomes Dean of the Nursing Program and holds 2 open houses within 3 months of each other to recruit new students (this was done last year and who knows how many she'll hold this spring). Now she is telling us, "Revamp your resumes. Take a few classes (ACLS and such) AND take whatever you can get." I cannot even begin to tell you how scared I am. I will graduate with a BSN, minor in healthcare administration, and Sigma Theta honors. I worked my @$$ off to get through the last 4 years to make myself marketable and I know very well that I may be making cold sandwiches at the local gas station to make ends meet. Maybe if I'm lucky, I can get hired at the local hotel for housekeeping...At least I'll be able to initial the rooms I have done as RU, BSN (unemployed).

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I've been hearing new reports on Buerhaus' study for years now -- it's the same study and figures, and it keeps get recycled over and over again. They ought to do some interviews (and head counts) of all the licensed new grads who can't find jobs, instead of repeatedly interviewing people who have something to gain from promoting the idea of a nursing "shortage."

What about the areas where there are TOO many nurses available BUT still they also have many foreign nurses? Don't you think that needs to be addressed especially if these foreign nurses have NOT become American Citizens. Maybe the limits on their visas should be looked at !!! In my area, this is why the new grads CANNOT find hospital jobs !!!!

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What about the areas where there are TOO many nurses available BUT still they also have many foreign nurses? Don't you think that needs to be addressed especially if these foreign nurses have NOT become American Citizens. Maybe the limits on their visas should be looked at !!! In my area, this is why the new grads CANNOT find hospital jobs !!!!

There is a long wait for foreign nurses to immigrate. There was a bill that failed in Congress this year allowing more foreign nurses to enter the country but that failed.

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If there's such a shortage, why are so many nurses having trouble finding work? Why are hospitals in my region having either a total hiring freeze on nurses or just allowing a trickle of minimal replacements come in? I'd like to blame the economy, but from doing Clinicals & volunteer work, everywhere I go seems so shorthanded for the number of patients. I can't say there are too many nurses in the area because there are only a few smaller Nursing programs, and most of them have waiting lists and very picky admissions. So if there is a shortage, is it some other part of the country?

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catjmoses RN has 20 years experience and specializes in Tele, Resp, CCU.

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ps: i did send cnn a little note about this thread. maybe they can get their facts straight ---from the horses' mouths'!

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