Nurse Salary Survey - page 2
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Aug 16, '04Joined: Jul '04; Posts: 140; Likes: 46unfortunately, it seems to me that nursing is a blue-collar profession. where else do you have to regularly clean up s*** and haul 200-400+ pounders around? dealing with a persons' pottying and bathing and wound care can hardly be considered white-collar work, it's downright nasty stuff.
besides, a typical blue collar male-dominated job generally gets better pay and benefits than does nursing.
Quote from rn4nicuit truly does depend on where you are. the places i have been offered $30+ per hour as a staff nurse are the same places where the rent for a nice apartment is $2000 a month or more.
stagnant wages are my #1 gripe with nursing as a profession (if i was better compensated, i would be more willing to deal with the other crap). they are also the reason that nurses change jobs more than any other professionals i have ever come into contact with. of the folks i went to college with - that had other majors - most of them are still working for the employers who hired them right out of school. it does not benefit nurses to do this because new grads coming in make as much as nurses who have been loyal to a facility for years! the only way to get higher salary is to work for the highest bidder.
this business with nurses bidding for shifts, by the way, is crap as far as i'm concerned (you know, where the hospital grants the nurse willing to work for the least amount of money the priviledge of working the shift - puhleeze!!!) in this day and age, with nurses not exactly growing on trees - hospitals should be doing the bidding. they should be throwing money at us, as well as several weeks of paid vacation and free health insurance, like we would get if we had majored in accounting or business.
unfortunately, there are those who think it is immoral or unethical (or some other nonsense) for nurses to demand wages commensurate with other college-educated professionals. i find its often the same ones who find it acceptable when nurses are told they are required to work as cnas for a shift if that is what suits management's fancy (or that nurses are required to function as housekeepers so the real housekeeping staff won't have to get their hands dirty). it's like some of them are ashamed of their education. they make it difficult, if not impossible, for the rest of us to be recognized as professionals. there are some, here on these boards, who ridicule nurses who expect to be recognized as professionals and compensated accordingly. you will be able to spot them as they will be the first to get on here and blast me for my point of view because they are so much nursier than myself. maybe those who wish for nursing to be blue-collar employment should have a separate job title and function, so those of us who wish to function as and be recognized as professionals can do so without getting in their way.
Aug 16, '04Occupation: FNP Specialty: 15 year(s) of experience ; From: US ; Joined: Jun '04; Posts: 1,834; Likes: 263Quote from lossforimaginationWell, I don't regularly do the functions that you describe. Neither do most public health nurses, neither do nurse administrators or nurse educators or most nursing directors. Cleaning people's excrement is not the be-all-end-all of nursing, but one of our most serious problems is that people think that is what RN's are for and that it is the extent of our usefulness. Have you noticed that nurses are treated like servants? It's a public image problem. And some wonder why people would look at other professions first, hmmm....go figure. Personally, I thought beds, baths, vitals, fetching things for patients, etc. were supposed to be the function of unlicensed assistive personnel. In fact, was it not such tasks that were the very reason for their positions being created in the first place - so RNs could focus on the tasks that require a license??? I know this is not very PC, but you know what - I couldn't care less!!!!! No one expects accountants to mop floors or wash windows, but nurses are expected to do whatever nobody else wants to do. It is ridiculous. Show me ANYONE else with a college degree that will put up with the foolishness that nurses put up with.Unfortunately, it seems to me that nursing IS a blue-collar profession. Where else do you have to regularly clean up s*** and HAUL 200-400+ pounders around? Dealing with a persons' pottying and bathing and wound care can hardly be considered white-collar work, it's downright nasty stuff.
Besides, a typical blue collar male-dominated job generally gets better pay and benefits than does nursing.
Nursing could be more of a professional, white collar line of work if some nurses would give up the martyrdom and DELEGATE tasks and quit letting UAPs bully them into believing that you can't possibly care about your patients if you dare to delegate such things as bathing and potty care. Please, people. They just want you to do their work for them, so they can do lab sticks and EKGs (cleaner tasks).
I have no desire to work with adults because of the very job description that you describe. I did not invest tens of thousands of dollars in my degree for that kind of work. I would have worked in construction if I wanted to be a physical labor "work horse". Do you not think that other people think the same when picking a major? Do you think there would be a shortage right now if there was more of a division of labor? I don't think there would be. If nursing could be rewarding without breaking a person's back, I don't think nurses would leave the bedside at such startling rates. I know for a fact that I do not plan to be a bedside nurse for the rest of my career and I don't even have any 200-400+ pound patients. I can only imagine how nurses who do feel about their ability to be at the bedside indefinitely. I'm just sick of nurses being treated like crap and not getting any respect. (FYI - I differentiate between trust and respect - all the studies that everyone likes to brag about state that nurses and firefighters, etc. are the most TRUSTED occupations, not the most respected, I think there is a difference.)
I know many don't share my view, but I think there are many people that do, yet may be afraid of what people will say/think about them if they admit it.
Aug 17, '04Joined: Jul '04; Posts: 140; Likes: 46I more than agree with you. Nurses are treated like crap, esp. in a hospital, yet providing NURSING CARE for patients is the reason a hospital exists at all. Administrators don't seem to be aware of this fact. Also, administrators have no idea what nurses actually have to deal with out there. If they had to do it themselves, no doubt there would be a lot more assistive personnel available, and a lot better treatment of nurses.
What I'm familiar with is minimal staffing on the floor.... starting the shift with say 8 patients; and you're lucky to have 1 PCA for 30 patients. How much help can that me? Next to none, maybe the PCA can get all the vital signs but not much else. Some of these patients having to use a bedpan or getting them up to the bedside commode as often as every 15-30 minutes can drive you absolutely out of your mind because you have so many more pressing issues to deal with. Or, confused people constantly trying to climb out of bed and you just know they're going to fall and injure themselves. Of course, if they fall it's the nurse's fault. Everyone knows a nurse can be in several rooms at once and also getting all the charting and other tasks done in a course of a shift. And there had better not be any overtime for charting! Forget about getting other nurses to help....they're all in the same boat with their own workload!
It's really an impossible situation at times. Not to mention all the hassles family members can give you. Truthfully, I hate every miserable second of being a bedside nurse, I've felt used and abused from day one. I'm more than ready to do something other than the hospital.
Oct 22, '05Joined: Oct '05; Posts: 10In our area, state surveyors start out at between 15-16 bucks an hour, lpn's 11 to 11 to 14, rn's 15 to 18. Ihave worked with some per diem nurses that make from18 to 31 an hour. They are mostly icu and er nurses, now agency is a different matter. cna and cma go for about 11-15 and hour, lpn up to 36 an hour and rn up to 46 an hour.
Oct 22, '05Joined: Jun '05; Posts: 108; Likes: 2I live in fort lauderdale and i'm also a new grad. The hospital started me out with a base pay of $25 plus the shift diff. There is also a weekend incentive program where if you work Fri, Sat, & Sun night, you will make an additional $10 on top of diff averaging $38-40 hr. I don't want to live my life giving up my weekends, working tons of ot, or giving up benefits for more $$.
For now, I will do the weekend program to make more $$. In the meantime, I did enroll back in school for my MSN/ARNP. The nurse recruiter at the hospital said the starting pay for ARNP is between $40-50 hr. I figure, an extra year and a half of school will give me more autonomy, better $$, and my weekends back.
Oct 28, '05Joined: May '05; Posts: 3Gee, where do u live MIMI2RN? I might consider moving!!!Last edit by NNICURN on Oct 28, '05
Nov 25, '05Joined: Nov '05; Posts: 7It does'nt matter what you get. Question is overall satisfaction on or off shift. I know many nurses who moved from UK to NZ they were getting far more than what they get here but are much more satisfied. My girlfriend is RN here for more than 10 years, i am 2nd year Nursing student and work on weekend days never been able to buy a house but environment here is great always attracts me.
Nov 25, '05Joined: Oct '05; Posts: 75; Likes: 8Quote from Red Hat MommaWhat state are you in....In our area, state surveyors start out at between 15-16 bucks an hour, lpn's 11 to 11 to 14, rn's 15 to 18. Ihave worked with some per diem nurses that make from18 to 31 an hour. They are mostly icu and er nurses, now agency is a different matter. cna and cma go for about 11-15 and hour, lpn up to 36 an hour and rn up to 46 an hour.
Dec 4, '05Occupation: Psych NP From: US ; Joined: Sep '05; Posts: 231; Likes: 80Wow, you guys all make me feel kind of bad. I guess I've been very lucky. I started at $34/hr as a new grad on a geri-psych unit. I know it's not for everyone but I loved it. My union was NYSNA and I had what I consider excellent benefits. I do live in NYC but my rent was 1200 a month not too horrible if you have a roommate. I worked crazy overtime but like I said I loved it so it wasn't too bad. I was able to pay off my credit cards, student loans and get a new car. Right now I'm a traveler and making the same amount of money that I did that first year but without having to do any of the overtime, which is about 95k. My job is pretty laid back -psych, and I love what I do. I'm still under my three year mark but have started saving up for a down payment on a house. The cost of a house is insane in NYC and I probably won't buy here.
I went to school in upstate NY and worked at an area medical center after graduation. It was on an oncology unit and boy did I work my butt off. The pay was $16 something an hour, with no union. I was told if I wanted dental insurance I would have to wait a year. Well, it didn't take me long after I got my license in my hand that I started to pack my bags and head back to NYC.
I can't imagine doing the amount of work you all have mentioned and having such a small paycheck to take home.
May 30, '06Joined: May '06; Posts: 528; Likes: 34I'm a student but from what nurses tell me, I should start out at 25-28 per hour.
Call me young and naive, but im excited to be a nurse.
May 31, '06Joined: Nov '05; Posts: 7there are number of interesting discussion about nurses salary I went through. How much you get varies from place to place. But, still we look around for good salary. But if student like me spend around NZ$ 50,000 for three years course of course like to start with good package as new grad. Inspite of that majority of populatioin feels like we are getting much better. WHAT A JOKE mat.
Jun 1, '06Joined: May '06; Posts: 6hello everyone,
how much do you think a pediatric nurse makes in massachusetts? how about starting salary for graduates? i'm reading all this horror stories about nursing. do some of these stories apply to pediatric nursing? is there anyone in here able to provide me with some real, honest stories on being a pediatric nurse?
any advice that can be provided is greatly appreciated.
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