Critical Thinking: you have it or you don't. Agree or disagree? - page 6
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Jan 10, '13Specialty: 20+ year(s) of experience in Peds and Adult Critical Care ; Joined: Mar '09; Posts: 894; Likes: 1,152Quote from LTCnurse11I critically think everyday and I do well with it. I just need to hear if others have been told "they got it or they don't". To me that's over simplified thinking.
Hi LTC nurse11.
What is oversimplified thinking, if someone is said to "have it or not"?
Yea pretty much people oversimplify judging if others have it or not, especially in light of subjective, incomplete, or only partially or clearly set, objective definitions.
The problem, IMHO, in nursing is that there are people coming into things trying to validate themselves or others, or they seek to invalidate others--too often to make themselve feel one-up or superior, or to get some social edge; thus they set forth with judgmental or subjective analyses of things.
They may use terminology such as "critical thinking" in order to rationalize their subjective evaluations of people or situatuions. I have, from day one, had a huge problem with this in nursing. There is too much ego nonsense in healthcare, including nursing and medicine. It's silly and counterproductive. And in general, there is way too much judgmentalism of other nurses, their practices and characters, or even "fit," that causes disunity in the field. People are too quick to throw titles on each other.
I like this business definition of critical thinking:
"Objective examination of assumptions (adopted rules of thumb) underlying current beliefs to assess their correctness and legitimacy, and thus to validate or invalidate the beliefs."
You can think critically about whether a long-held treatment approach is the correct path to use in a particular situation.
I had a kid once that had tracheal edema from an unidentified, presumbed infectious agent. The child had received a good number of IV decadron doses, and was on broad spectrum IV antibiotics. Of course, sensibly, he was explored and intubated in the OR, and this I understood without question. He was on IV sedation, but was on the light side, and was continuing to receive the aforementioned medications around the clock. He awoke and was scared and angry and fighting. He wet the bed a number of times, b/c someone thought to not put a foley cathether in him in the OR. Depending upon how you looked at his situation, you could have fought it either way; but given the current attention to cauti infections, this position could be quite sensible. The cuff leak test is often done to predict the probability of laryngeal stridor. Both parents were nearby and very attentive to the five year old child. My suggestion, although it was somehow grossly distorted and met with outlandish outrage, was to perhaps back off of the sedation a little and allow the child to interact (yes while the ETT was still in) with his parents and try to use the urinal. My position was that he would be moving around, and movement, in light of all the meds he was receiving, may help to mobilize accumulation of fluid as the meds are working, and in time, he might be more apt to develop a significant airleak, without having to keep him ultra sedated on versed and fentanyl. Worst case, if he was too wild and stressed, we could re-sedate until he could be reassessed for cuff leak. The parents were very appreciative of this perspective, and I had worked in other hospitals and seen such approaches work. I hated to think it, but it seemed to me, since the census had been low in that unit at that particular time, they wanted to keep this kid as long as possible. Of course I can't prove that, and I don't want to be unfair. But I have seen a lot over the years.
At any rate, a former adult nurse who had made her in-roads in that unit as "somebody" and the manager's "informant" started a huge issue over it. Now I had had a ton more critical care peds experience than she, but I was trying to keep my mouth shut. I made a possible suggestion, but rather than calmly and critically thinking about the possibility, even if the plan was not going to change, they were drilling me loudly, bringing undo attention, and basically just trying to get me to fight and look like an arse. I stated I shared one perspective, but that it is ultimately up to the doctor, and I am fine with the plan as it is. I just offered another perspective, with the potential to bring the child to the previous level of sedation if that what needed--but again, its up to the team and not me. The point is, even though I was moving on to another patient and other situations, they would not let it go. It was completely intention and was an attempt to undermine me, my thinking skills, and my safety of practice. I never said, "Hey, let's just extubate the kid right now." NOPE. Not even close. It was a well, disguised, bullying game. I had seen it before in other places. I smiled, kept my mouth shut and continued to move on; but the handful of nurses were not going to let it go, and they had the nurse manager convinced that I was some kind of nutjob or something. It was incredibly ridiculous.
At the end of the day, the people that were guilty of poor critical thinking in that situation were the troublemakers. They couldn't conceive of anythink short of sedating the hell out of the kid for God knows how long. When I spoke to the fellow anesthesiologist--their initiation, not mine--he looked at me as if to say he saw my point of view, but the numbers were against him, so he quoted some piece of research from years before and hauled butt out of their. People knew how toxic that unit could be--even anesthesia fellows.
The problem was that they could not think in terms of what was put forth to them, but rather jumped to conclusions about what was suggested. And not only was this poor critical thinking on their part, it was, to some degree, intentional sabbotage. On that day I decided I would work on continuing my education such that I could move out of nursing. That kind of closed-minded and intentionally misconstrued and manipulative thinking made it clear to me why this is not the field for true thinkers in such environments.
Don't get me wrong. I am CERTAINLY NOT saying nurses don't engage in highlevel thinking, and absolutely critical care nurses have to do this on a daily, if not hourly basis in their roles.
It's just too so hard to find the right team of nurses that aren't trying to undermine or outdo each other, but less come together with some sort of unified, "think tank" approach to things. It's like some can't think this way or they just won't. Either way, those that are really into higher level thinking are push down and trampled on by those that can or will not think and discuss, objectively, without other perspectives in mind.
As long as nursing is dominanted by people that refuse to grow or just cannot grow in this capacity, those that have and would use the ability to think with varied and higher-ordered thinking will often be trampled over. Some environments allow such thinking and openness; but too many do not. In over 20 years, I have not seen a great deal of change in this direction. And this issue, at least in part, is the lack of ability for nurses to engage in building coalitions rather than embracing fractions or cliques. Sadly, too many nursing administrations want it that way --that way they can hold on to tigher control of nursing. They control the dominant players and have them limit the others. Again, I have seen this played out over decades.
I am fundamentally against this type of leadership and thinking. Thus, my hope is to be out of nursing in the next several years. I have loved much of what I have done in nursing, and the patients, families, many other nurses and healthcare personnel, and physicians. But the way these kinds of things are encouraged and show no signs of changing, I can't deal with the toxic and limited thinking anymore.
Critical thinking? I like this fellow's perspective on what it is:
What is Critical Thinking?
No one always acts purely objectively and rationally. We connive for selfish interests. We gossip, boast, exaggerate, and equivocate. It is "only human" to wish to validate our prior knowledge, to vindicate our prior decisions, or to sustain our earlier beliefs. In the process of satisfying our ego, however, we can often deny ourselves intellectual growth and opportunity. We may not always want to apply critical thinking skills, but we should have those skills available to be employed when needed.
Critical thinking includes a complex combination of skills. Among the main characteristics are the following:Rationality
We are thinking critically when we
- rely on reason rather than emotion,
- require evidence, ignore no known evidence, and follow evidence where it leads, and
- are concerned more with finding the best explanation than being right analyzing apparent confusion and asking questions.
We are thinking critically when we
- weigh the influences of motives and bias, and
- recognize our own assumptions, prejudices, biases, or point of view.
We are thinking critically when we recognize emotional impulses, selfish motives, nefarious purposes, or other modes of self-deception.Open-mindedness
We are thinking critically when we
- evaluate all reasonable inferences
- consider a variety of possible viewpoints or perspectives,
- remain open to alternative interpretations
- accept a new explanation, model, or paradigm because it explains the evidence better, is simpler, or has fewer inconsistencies or covers more data
- accept new priorities in response to a reevaluation of the evidence or reassessment of our real interests, and
- do not reject unpopular views out of hand.
We are thinking critically when we
- are precise, meticulous, comprehensive, and exhaustive
- resist manipulation and irrational appeals, and
- avoid snap judgments.
We are thinking critically when we
- recognize the relevance and/or merit of alternative assumptions and perspectives
- recognize the extent and weight of evidence
- Critical thinkers are by nature skeptical. They approach texts with the same skepticism and suspicion as they approach spoken remarks.
- Critical thinkers are active, not passive. They ask questions and analyze. They consciously apply tactics and strategies to uncover meaning or assure their understanding.
- Critical thinkers do not take an egotistical view of the world. They are open to new ideas and perspectives. They are willing to challenge their beliefs and investigate competing evidence.
By contrast, passive, non-critical thinkers take a simplistic view of the world.
- They see things in black and white, as either-or, rather than recognizing a variety of possible understanding.
- They see questions as yes or no with no subtleties.
- They fail to see linkages and complexities.(This has been a big one for nursing, in my view.)
- They fail to recognize related elements. (Another big one.)
- They take their facts as the only relevant ones.
- They take their own perspective as the only sensible one.
- They take their goal as the only valid one.
-- Daniel J. Kurland
How do you truly develop this in nurses. I mean if critical care nurses buck against this whole realm of thinking, what hope is their for the profession in this regard?Last edit by samadams8 on Jan 10, '13
Jan 10, '13Joined: Jun '12; Posts: 64; Likes: 17[QUOTE="samadams8"]
What is oversimplified thinking, if someone is said to "have it or not"?
Yea pretty much people oversimplify judging if others have it or not, especially in light of subjective, incomplete, or only partially or clearly defined, objective definitions.
Exactly what I meant. Critical thinking does not come cut and dry. Too many egos wanting to be fed in this healthcare system and when they aren't fed, it becomes survival of the fittest. This is evident by people labeling others as "by the book" or "missing the mark" or "not getting the big picture" when in reality the depth of human behavior is not skin deep.
Employers, to get your money's worth out of an employee, do not skimp on training. Especially with a new nurse who is just starting to put all the pieces together.
Jan 10, '13Occupation: Program Director Specialty: 18 year(s) of experience in cardiac, ICU, education ; From: US ; Joined: Feb '10; Posts: 622; Likes: 1,119samsadmas8
Nice post, usually I don't read long ones, but you do have an interesting point of view on critical thinking. I teach a preceptor course throughout the US and one of my modules is critical thinking and decision making. I love when I learn new things and my 'take-away' from your post to bring up in future classes is that even seasoned nurses need to remind themselves to see the whole picture and not get stuck in their ways, otherwise, they are not making sound clinical decisions either. To prevent this I actually tell the preceptor not to assign to many 'frequent fliers' to their new nurses because they become too desensitized to the patient's needs.
That is why I believe that to the untrained eye (I mean untrained preceptor or educator who facilitates nursing orientation), "nurses either have it or they don't."
However, as you explained in your post, the nursing culture on the unit can extinguish a new nurse's ability to critical think. To add to your suggestions, I wanted to supply information from a scholar in the arena of promoting critical thinking in nurses. Christine Tanner has been doing research in critical thinking, clinical judgment, and clinical decision making for 25 years. The most significant findings from her research are these:
1. Clinical judgments are more influenced by what nurses bring to the situation than the objective data about the situation
2. Sound clinical judgment depends on knowing the patient and his or her typical pattern of responses, as well as an engagement with the patient and his or her concerns (frequent flyers and personal opinion)
3. Clinical judgments are influenced by the context in which the situation occurs and the culture of the unit
4. Nurses use a variety of reasoning patterns alone or in combination
5. Reflection on practice is often triggered by a breakdown in clinical judgment and is critical for the development of clinical knowledge and improvement in clinical reasoning
I love her statement that shows that critical thinking in not just basically what to do when, but to become a true master at clinical decision making, you must know how to be even better the next time. Culture means a great deal when developing CT in a new nurse.
Jan 10, '13Occupation: Program Director Specialty: 18 year(s) of experience in cardiac, ICU, education ; From: US ; Joined: Feb '10; Posts: 622; Likes: 1,119I have been keeping up with this thread, but what about when someone were to use the term:
1. Being able to look at the big picture
2. Thinking outside the box
3. You have to not be so task oriented
Is this another way to say someone is lacking critical thinking skills?
Jan 12, '13Specialty: 31 year(s) of experience in PICU, NICU, L&D, Public Health, Hospice ; Joined: Jul '09; Posts: 4,870; Likes: 8,264As we practice our profession, we expand and enrich our professional knowledge. For instance, if you are expert in symptoms and their management, you have more information in your brain to inform your already well practiced critical thinking.
Critical thinking skills should be developed over the lifetime of every human. We see evidence, everyday in our work of people who have poorly developed skills. These skills DO translate many many times into the nursing model. New grads who have more general life experience that demonstrate good critical thought development are more attractive to me as a manager than a new grad with little life experience.
Jan 18, '13Joined: Mar '00; Posts: 1,322; Likes: 296Once again, great discussion everyone! This may come off as... well I'll let you be the judge. It would seem that some of us are defining critical thinking in stages whereas the OP indicated that in their situation, it was about "you have it or you don't". So, can we see critical thinking as black and white or as gray? Critical thinking is required for decision making by all adults, no matter the trade or profession. The fact of the matter is that not everyone is cut out to be a nurse and that is why it is great that we have a multitude of other disciplines in which to choose.
There are tests that measure abilities, knowledge, skills, and personality. Are these helpful along with getting the necessary training and education? I agree with those who indicate that everyone has critical thinking skills. it's just that to what extent and whether that along with other intrinsic and extrinsic characteristics are suitable for nursing practice. I also agree with those that indicate that if you receive a good quality preceptor or go through a good quality training program that you should be able to determine after a period of time whether nursing is the best path for you.
Jan 18, '13Joined: Apr '11; Posts: 0; Likes: 373Should I be surprised that no one has mentioned the classic work on progress from novice to expert in this context?
Jan 18, '13Joined: Oct '04; Posts: 8,702; Likes: 17,865Quote from GrnTeaMaybe GrnTea...I will mention it I guess!!! ...Should I be surprised that no one has mentioned the classic work on progress from novice to expert in this context?
I feel like a total geek (not that there is anything WRONG with that! ) by raving about Patricia Benner's Novice to Expert theory...I am actually reading a critical thinking and clinical judgement book to get myself refreshed for acute care for my first RN job...I have been a LPN for seven years and learned about nursing theory then...I was really interested on Benner's Theory characteristics of how a new grad may be comfortable with more direction, and continues to learn to trust their own judgment when experience is built upon. I find that this theory allowed me to communicate more effectively with my peers and precepts, as well as myself...I know that even though I have life and clinical experience, I am about to build on my experience, and I will enter the PICU (my new grad RN position) as a novice...that does not mean I am going to throw away my critical thinking skills nor will I show up as the experienced super nurse, lol...I also know I am going to have a LOT of questions and may even come to a crossroads of what I must do to adapt to the appropriate clinical decision making I need in critical care...will it mean I "don't have it??" I don't think so...not because of my experience, it's more based on my understanding of how we all critically think, and I will build the new knowledge and learn to make the proper decision making along with my previous skills set. It also helps that this hospital uses Benner's theory as a clinical ladder.
As for the question, I think Benner's theory answers it pretty well...we ALL have it!!! We ALL
need to learn how our pattern of thinking can play up our greatest strengths...like putting together puzzle pieces.
Jan 18, '13Joined: Jun '12; Posts: 64; Likes: 17Quote from GrnTeaI was honestly waiting for someone to get the ball rolling on that. Just because its good to hear other nurses verbalize that theyve observed these stages in really after much discussion with nurses older and more experienced, the whole situation the occurred in that department is almost laughable. Clinical educator experience=5 years and BSN, 1 year med surg experience. Inpatient manager experience=5 years and BSN, 1-2 years med surg in the current remote hospital where I work. Net experience 10 years. Total number of hospitals worked in between both nurses=1. Doesn't take brain power to figure out the lack of leadership and guidance.Should I be surprised that no one has mentioned the classic work on progress from novice to expert in this context?
Jan 18, '13Occupation: Registered Nurse Specialty: 11 year(s) of experience in Cath lab, acute, community ; From: AU ; Joined: Mar '12; Posts: 354; Likes: 138I think it is something to be developed - I mean schools and universities say that they try and develop it in their students, don't they?
Jan 19, '13Occupation: Registered Professional Nurse Specialty: 20 year(s) of experience in ED ; From: US ; Joined: Oct '08; Posts: 589; Likes: 1,436Critical thinking is the ability to observe, assess, assimilate all data and see all possible solutions, then pick the best solution to the problem. It is the nursing process, problem solving, geometric theorems, different names for the same thing. The question shouldn't be do some people have it or some people don't. Anyone can learn problem solving skills. Anyone can do the steps. The question is can they do it under stress? Can they process and synthesize all the data in seconds? That is a skill honed over years of experience, but also, some are just innately better at it then others. Everyone knows the steps of the nursing process, however, not everyone utilizes them. There are those out there that just never "get it". It's a skill like any other. The more you use it, the better you become.
Jan 22, '13Joined: Jun '12; Posts: 64; Likes: 17Quote from PudnluvI agree with your statement that people can have more natural ability than others. And being under stress can cause roadblocks in the Information processing circuit. Consider the factors at play such as things that cause the stress to occur. Some people are more prone to stress than others and this can be made much worse without the appropriate information and education available especially with new grads. If you ask me, throwing a new grad smack in the middle of a med surg unit with zero training is totally barbaric and dangerous. I just hope they learned their lesson.Critical thinking is the ability to observe, assess, assimilate all data and see all possible solutions, then pick the best solution to the problem. It is the nursing process, problem solving, geometric theorems, different names for the same thing. The question shouldn't be do some people have it or some people don't. Anyone can learn problem solving skills. Anyone can do the steps. The question is can they do it under stress? Can they process and synthesize all the data in seconds? That is a skill honed over years of experience, but also, some are just innately better at it then others. Everyone knows the steps of the nursing process, however, not everyone utilizes them. There are those out there that just never "get it". It's a skill like any other. The more you use it, the better you become.
Jan 22, '13Joined: Dec '12; Posts: 106; Likes: 72This statement drives me crazy. If you watched Seasame Street as a child, you should remember the cartoon "if I pop this balloon this..." And it goes in to tell you what could happen if the balloon pops and how it will effect ppl & things. I really think critical thinking is over used .