We don't need over-priced insurance - we need Guaranteed Healthcare.


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    We don't need over-priced insurance - we need Guaranteed Healthcare
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    Our healthcare system is frail - and making our patients sick. Even people with expensive insurance are denied health care, and many Americans can't afford any insurance at all.

    It doesn't have to be this way. Registered Nurses are supporting Guaranteed Healthcare to give our patients the care they need. We don't need over-priced insurance - we need Guaranteed Healthcare.

    From Washington to Sacramento, the air is filled with talk about how to reform our dysfunctional healthcare system. But only a single-payer system would assure that everyone is covered with one high standard of benefits and care, (as opposed to good care for the wealthy only) establish effective cost controls, curb administrative waste, and end insurance industry interference with care.
    http://www.guaranteedhealthcare.org/facts
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  3. by   NRSKarenRN
    pa nurses supporting:




    pa gov. rendell's [font=felbridge-bold]prescription for pennsylvania

    who are the uninsured in pa?

    71% [font=felbridge]of the uninsured in pennsylvania are [font=felbridge-extrabold]employed

    [font=felbridge-extrabold]77% [font=felbridge-extrabold]earn less [font=felbridge]than [font=felbridge-extrabold]300% [font=felbridge]of the 2006 federal poverty level. in
    [font=felbridge]pennsylvania that's [font=felbridge-extrabold]$29,400 [font=felbridge]for an individual and [font=felbridge-extrabold]$60,000
    [font=felbridge-extrabold]f[font=felbridge]or a family of four

    [font=felbridge][font=felbridge]27% have been [font=felbridge-extrabold]without [font=felbridge]insurance for at least [font=felbridge-extrabold]5 years

    [font=felbridge][font=felbridge-extrabold][color=#003b7b]75% work for private companies

    [font=felbridge][font=felbridge-extrabold][color=#003b7b]62% are in the service industry and 21% are in retail



    [font=felbridge-bold]launching cover all pennsylvanians to offer affordable health insurance to eligible small businesses and the uninsured.

    [font=felbridge-bold][color=#173f6e]rx for affordability
    [font=felbridge-bold]for 767,000 uninsured pennsylvania adults, prescription for pennsylvania means having the confidence that a sudden illness will not lead to unnecessary personal suffering and bankruptcy.
    [font=felbridge-bold][color=#d59f0f]learn more...


    [font=felbridge-bold]complete sweeping healthcare plan for pa is
    [font=felbridge-bold]pennsylvania health care reform act: rx for pa

    [color=#003b7b]prescription for pennsylvania is a set of integrated practical
    [color=#003b7b]strategies for improving the health care of all pennsylvanians,
    [color=#003b7b]making the health care system more efficient and containing its cost.


    support:
    house bill 700 legislation

    use this easy link from pa nurses to send letter to your pa legislator:

    support hb 700!!!
    please contact your state representative/senator and urge them to support governor rendell's "prescription for pennsylvania."

    ez letter : take action
    Last edit by NRSKarenRN on May 12, '07
  4. by   pickledpepperRN
    This jumped out at me from Karens link:
    % Increase in Family Health Insurance Premiums vs. Inflation and Median Wages in PA Between 2000 and 2006
    Increase in premiums was 75.6%

    Inflation was 17%

    Increase in median wages was 13.3%

    http://www.gohcr.state.pa.us/prescri...ordability.pdf

    I wonder how much the insurance company profits increased.
  5. by   NRSKarenRN
    The Health Care Tidal Wave is rising from the East Coast (Mass and PA) to the West Coast to ensure basic coverage for healthcare for all US citizens.

    Please consider these proposals and how they can help nurses NURSE and provide healthcare to all.
  6. by   VIXEN007
    The idea of guaranteed insurance really scares me. I remember debating this issue of healthcare as a right or privilege in many HealthCare Administration courses. If you ever look at socialized healthcare, you will realize that the pursuit of technology and innovations will decline because the market will not support it.
    You will also realize that the people who have the means to circumvent the guaranteed system and seek care elsewhere will do it. You are left with a system that cannot provide care adequately to those that have no other options. Therefore, you have people waiting for months to receive an MRI or joint replacement surgery.
    I used to work at hospitals in Michigan, we always got the people with money coming over from Canada for elective medical care. I do agree that the health care system needs a fix. Here are my ideas:

    1) Medicare Part D-get rid of all the red tape. Just give each eligible member a preloaded prescription only debit card. Hundreds of millions of dollars would be saved. Not to mention all of the trees that died in order to print all of the marketing materials and formularies.
    2) Tort reform-Protect doctors from non-compliant patients. If a patient wins a suit, use that money to cover health care for other patients.
    3) Health care premiums should be tax deductible.
  7. by   VIXEN007
    Insurance companies are making record profits. They are the ones who make out while cutting reimbursement to doctors and other providers.
  8. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from VIXEN007
    Insurance companies are making record profits. They are the ones who make out while cutting reimbursement to doctors and other providers.
    You are correct!
    That is why I think we can do better than the for profit insurance industry. Like Medicare only better.
    Good ideas too!


    I like the idea of a prescription only debit card in place of Medicare- part D (written by the pharmceutical industry)

    Tort reform is very complicated to me. I don't want frivilous suits. I do want the threat of a suit to prevent malpractice.

    Yes for now I think health insurance premiums should be deductable.
  9. by   pickledpepperRN
    Tearing the Mask Off the Massachusetts Healthcare Scam
    So much for the overblown rhetoric about shared responsibility in healthcare reform.

    Apparently the Massachusetts officials who enacted the law that has been hyped from coast to coast as the model for other state and national plans believe that only low and middle income individuals and families should carry the financial burden for resolving the healthcare crisis.

    Having already relaxed requirements on the insurance giants who stand to gain tens of millions in additional profits under the plan, now we learn that the obligations on employers have been effectively eliminated in Massachusetts.

    First, the Massachusetts legislature agreed, after intensive corporate lobbying, to gut the shared responsibility for businesses with over 10 employers who don't currently provide health benefits for employees to a paltry "fair share" fee of $295 per employee per year…

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rose-a...-_b_48449.html
  10. by   jjjoy
    How about forget the hyping that everyone needs "health insurance" for health maintenance and instead aim for "affordable health care"? The idea of insurance is too pool resources to cover an unlikely event. You pay into the insurance in the hopes that you'll never need to use it. If everyone expects and demands to get out of it at least as much as they pay into it it won't hold. Thus, the insurance model doesn't work for health care which includes health maintenance, on-going medications, etc.

    Instead, what insurance companies do now (and Medicare does this, too) is threaten to take their patient base away if the health care providers don't give them the lowest rates, even if that rate isn't enough to pay for the services. Meanwhile, providers jack up their rates in response to insurance companies only paying a fraction of the bill. So you see these bills for basic service for $250 that the insurance company reimburses for $25.

    We could make very low interest loans and reasonable payment plans to cover one-time expenses. A chest x-ray or a 10-day supply of antibiotics for $10/month for 10 months. Sounds better than just having to shell out $100. And it's definitely better than carrying a balance on a credit card.

    Chronic disease, though poses a big problem. A problem that health insurance and the private market alone most certainly can't control without guidance and regulation. After all, it does make financial sense for insurance companies to deny those with chronic disease or at risk for chronic disease. And those with chronic disease are the least likely to be able to afford expensive, on-going treatment. There's no money to be made in insuring folks with known or predictable expensive health issues. Which is why society-wide incentives and subsidies need to be considered to ensure the provision of affordable, quality care.
  11. by   HM2VikingRN
    Quote from vixen007
    the idea of guaranteed insurance really scares me. i remember debating this issue of healthcare as a right or privilege in many healthcare administration courses. if you ever look at socialized healthcare, you will realize that the pursuit of technology and innovations will decline because the market will not support it.

    comment: except that oecd countries that have universal care actually have more mri machines etc/capita than the us does.....

    you will also realize that the people who have the means to circumvent the guaranteed system and seek care elsewhere will do it. you are left with a system that cannot provide care adequately to those that have no other options. therefore, you have people waiting for months to receive an mri or joint replacement surgery.

    comment: see the french system and how these issues are addressed.

    the government provides basic insurance for all citizens, albeit with relatively robust co-pays, and then encourages the population to also purchase supplementary insurance -- which 86 percent do, most of them through employers, with the poor being subsidized by the state. this allows for as high a level of care as an individual is willing to pay for, and may help explain why waiting lines are nearly unknown in france.
    france's system is further prized for its high level of choice and responsiveness -- attributes that led the world health organization to rank it the finest in the world (america's system came in at no. 37, between costa rica and slovenia). the french can see any doctor or specialist they want, at any time they want, as many times as they want, no referrals or permissions needed.
    http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?...lth_of_nations

    i used to work at hospitals in michigan, we always got the people with money coming over from canada for elective medical care. i do agree that the health care system needs a fix.

    comment: note the word elective. us and canadian waiting times for services are actually almost identical. see myths and meme's at: http://pnhp.org/facts/myths_memes.pdf
    these are mainly patients not wanting to wait for elective or non-urgent care within the system, who gain access to private care through either private insurance or out-of-pocket payments. no evidence is presented that waiting times within the system adversely affect clinical outcomes, and no distinction is made between "need" and "desire" on the part of patients who bypass waiting lists. an exaggerated impression is given of both waiting lists and the "growing number" of canadians traveling to the united states for medical care, based on a 1996 article (16).
    ...
    overcrowding of emergency rooms in canada is increasingly mirrored by the
    same problem in the united states, though underreported in this country.
    physicians at the los angeles county-usc medical center have testified
    that some emergency room patients can wait up to four days for a bed and
    that others may die before receiving care (17). of the millions of americans
    crowding u.s. emergency rooms, many have problems that could have been prevented by earlier care; they end up being charged the highest rates for
    emergency care, then are released with often inadequate follow-up care (18).
    * though admittedly the canadian system is underfunded, and extended waits for some elective services may be a problem in some parts of the country, these problems are often exaggerated by its detractors based on unreliable self-reported data. in 1998, fewer than 1 percent of canadians were on waiting lists, with fewer than 10 percent of these waiting longer than four months
    (19). waiting times in the united states, even for the privately insured, are now increasing for checkups as well as for sick visits (20).

    comprehensive and reliable provincial databases on waiting times show that
    in recent years, waiting times have decreased while services have increased. for example, coronary bypass surgery increased by 66 percent between 1991 and 1997 in manitoba, while waiting times were reduced for that procedure and also shortened for five other elective procedures--carotid endarterectomy, cholecystectomy, hernia repair, tonsillectomy, and transurethral resection of the prostate (21).
    * although there is a widespread myth that many canadians seek medical
    care in the united states, a three-state study reported in 2002 found that
    this number is very low for either outpatient or hospital care, and largely due to these canadians needing medical care while traveling in the united states (22).


    here are my ideas:

    1) medicare part d-get rid of all the red tape. just give each eligible member a preloaded prescription only debit card. hundreds of millions of dollars would be saved. not to mention all of the trees that died in order to print all of the marketing materials and formularies.
    comment: 2 ideas as a supplement. a> allow medicare to negotiate for volume discounts. b> adopt a reimbursement system similar to france's for medications.
    the french do the same for pharmaceuticals, which are grouped into one of three classes and reimbursed at 35 percent, 65 percent, or 100 percent of cost, depending on whether data show their use to be cost effective. it's a wise straddle of a tricky problem, and one that other nations would do well to emulate.
    http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?...lth_of_nations

    2) tort reform-protect doctors from non-compliant patients. if a patient wins a suit, use that money to cover health care for other patients.
    3) health care premiums should be tax deductible.
    comment: the impact of tort reform is overstated. see :
    the numbers show that lawsuits are an insignificant cost both to businesses and to health providers, for whom they represent less than 2 percent of spending. in short, the lawsuit-abuse crisis is a hoax. yet the republican right has launched one of the great propaganda blitzes of recent american history to yank the teeth from the civil jury. http://www.thenation.com/doc/20041025/zegart/4
    we actually need to do a much better job at prevention and management of chronic illness as well as managing the impacts: again see:

    in addition, the government has identified thirty chronic conditions, such as diabetes and hypertension, for which there is usually no cost sharing, in order to make sure people don't skimp on preventive care that might head off future complications.
    http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?...lth_of_nations
  12. by   DarrenWright
    Quote from spacenurse
    From Washington to Sacramento, the air is filled with talk about how to reform our dysfunctional healthcare system. But only a single-payer system would assure that everyone is covered with one high standard of benefits and care, (as opposed to good care for the wealthy only) establish effective cost controls, curb administrative waste, and end insurance industry interference with care.
    http://www.guaranteedhealthcare.org/facts
    Untrue.

    A single payer system in no-way whatsoever assures "that everyone is covered with one high standard of benefits and care," and in fact assures that everyone is guaranteed coverage at the lowest levels routinely available, while people wealthy enough to purchase additional insurance will receive care not available at the single-payor level.

    That is unless, you advocate completely eliminating private insurance and private payees and taking away people's right to do what they want with their bodies.
  13. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from DarrenWright
    Untrue.

    A single payer system in no-way whatsoever assures "that everyone is covered with one high standard of benefits and care," and in fact assures that everyone is guaranteed coverage at the lowest levels routinely available, while people wealthy enough to purchase additional insurance will receive care not available at the single-payor level.

    That is unless, you advocate completely eliminating private insurance and private payees and taking away people's right to do what they want with their bodies.
    You are right that single payer would not guarantee all the healthcare a person needs. That is the goal. Nurses are working toward that goal.
    If not single payer what do you suggest?
  14. by   DarrenWright
    Quote from spacenurse
    You are right that single payer would not guarantee all the healthcare a person needs. That is the goal. Nurses are working toward that goal.
    If not single payer what do you suggest?
    There is no such thing as a program that will guarantee "all the healthcare a person needs." It's simply not an achievable goal.

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