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  1. by   c_beshore_rn
    i am a product of welfare! i hate sharing this stuff, but.....

    a. i was pregnant at 15. my first son was born under medicaid- my entire pregnancy was covered as was his birth and subsequent operations he needed after his birth. i got pregnant not because i didn't know better, but because that seemed like the only way out at the time. :heartbeatif you know anything about about human development you know that "magical thinking" rules the thought processes of teens. their cerebral cortex and higher level of thinking do not come full circle until late teens early 20's. so... even if they "are held responsible" they really don't have the good sense to understand the impact of their actions. they only understand the romantic ideation and delusional thought processes that lead them to the wrong decisions. this is where parental guidance comes in and some kids just don't have it!

    b. i was an iv cocaine user, homeless, lived in a car, and did not take care of any of my resposibilities! not that i didn't know better---i started out "just trying it" then boom- there i was!! if it wasn't for all this reallocation of wealth, i believe i would be dead! its because of state funded programs that i was able to get treatment at 21, get counseling, medical services, and move out of my car into a home with my child----not to mention go to school!

    for every 100 addicts only 3 recover! is it worth it? i think so, others say let us all die "we made our beds...."

    i'm a productive member of society now. i pay taxes. i donate money to help others, i worked in addictions and mental health for years to just help those 3 that will hear what i have to say.

    i have found the people that usually are against supporting or helping the "ingrates" are rich, have good upbringing, good support systems, and have never been in my situation. after doing 12 years in addictions/ mental health i was frustrated to tears with em, but i would never deny them medical care or treatment.

    it would be nice if everyone came from a loving home, had great insurance and money, and just "knew better"---but some of us are dense and need a little help. thank god its there....
    my straight "a" children are reaping the benefits of a society that helped their mom get better and be a mom! thank you
  2. by   GCTMT
    Do you think we will see a public option? I suppose this is the best thread to ask the question. Apparently, the Prez. wants it, but is flexible on the idea and I think it's the most important part of any reform, a public option.

    He has committed to these thing...
    1) It has to be paid for.
    2) It has to reduce costs.
    3) It has to "make sure, that all Americans have quality, affordable health care".

    But, he hasn't insisted on a public option. What do you think?
  3. by   herring_RN
    I'm concerned.
  4. by   K98
    Quote from c_beshore_rn
    i am a product of welfare! i hate sharing this stuff, but.....

    a. i was pregnant at 15. my first son was born under medicaid- my entire pregnancy was covered as was his birth and subsequent operations he needed after his birth. i got pregnant not because i didn't know better, but because that seemed like the only way out at the time. :heartbeatif you know anything about about human development you know that "magical thinking" rules the thought processes of teens. their cerebral cortex and higher level of thinking do not come full circle until late teens early 20's. so... even if they "are held responsible" they really don't have the good sense to understand the impact of their actions. they only understand the romantic ideation and delusional thought processes that lead them to the wrong decisions. this is where parental guidance comes in and some kids just don't have it!

    b. i was an iv cocaine user, homeless, lived in a car, and did not take care of any of my resposibilities! not that i didn't know better---i started out "just trying it" then boom- there i was!! if it wasn't for all this reallocation of wealth, i believe i would be dead! its because of state funded programs that i was able to get treatment at 21, get counseling, medical services, and move out of my car into a home with my child----not to mention go to school!

    for every 100 addicts only 3 recover! is it worth it? i think so, others say let us all die "we made our beds...."

    i'm a productive member of society now. i pay taxes. i donate money to help others, i worked in addictions and mental health for years to just help those 3 that will hear what i have to say.

    i have found the people that usually are against supporting or helping the "ingrates" are rich, have good upbringing, good support systems, and have never been in my situation. after doing 12 years in addictions/ mental health i was frustrated to tears with em, but i would never deny them medical care or treatment.

    it would be nice if everyone came from a loving home, had great insurance and money, and just "knew better"---but some of us are dense and need a little help. thank god its there....
    my straight "a" children are reaping the benefits of a society that helped their mom get better and be a mom! thank you
    i am not rich. i worked for 25 years as a maintenance employee for a public transit system, and took an early retirement. i then returned to college and became an rn. my wife and i (both rns) work hard and already pay way too much in taxes. i congratulate you for your success, but the rest of us need not pay for your mistakes/lack of judgement. i take care of mine, you take care of yours. having worked for the government, i recognize the fact that they have no place in healthcare.
  5. by   hillarypeace2006
    Quote from c_beshore_rn
    i am a product of welfare! i hate sharing this stuff, but.....

    a. i was pregnant at 15. my first son was born under medicaid- my entire pregnancy was covered as was his birth and subsequent operations he needed after his birth. i got pregnant not because i didn't know better, but because that seemed like the only way out at the time. :heartbeatif you know anything about about human development you know that "magical thinking" rules the thought processes of teens. their cerebral cortex and higher level of thinking do not come full circle until late teens early 20's. so... even if they "are held responsible" they really don't have the good sense to understand the impact of their actions. they only understand the romantic ideation and delusional thought processes that lead them to the wrong decisions. this is where parental guidance comes in and some kids just don't have it!

    b. i was an iv cocaine user, homeless, lived in a car, and did not take care of any of my resposibilities! not that i didn't know better---i started out "just trying it" then boom- there i was!! if it wasn't for all this reallocation of wealth, i believe i would be dead! its because of state funded programs that i was able to get treatment at 21, get counseling, medical services, and move out of my car into a home with my child----not to mention go to school!

    for every 100 addicts only 3 recover! is it worth it? i think so, others say let us all die "we made our beds...."

    i'm a productive member of society now. i pay taxes. i donate money to help others, i worked in addictions and mental health for years to just help those 3 that will hear what i have to say.

    i have found the people that usually are against supporting or helping the "ingrates" are rich, have good upbringing, good support systems, and have never been in my situation. after doing 12 years in addictions/ mental health i was frustrated to tears with em, but i would never deny them medical care or treatment.

    it would be nice if everyone came from a loving home, had great insurance and money, and just "knew better"---but some of us are dense and need a little help. thank god its there....
    my straight "a" children are reaping the benefits of a society that helped their mom get better and be a mom! thank you

    thank you for sharing your story. these kind of triumphs and getting a helping hand when one gets kicked down is what makes me love this country. who are we if we can't take care of our people? even if you hadn't had as many dire circumstances, life happens, people can end up unemployed and very ill. my dad, who has had his income significantly reduced because of economic issues and can barely pay his house note just had a quintuple bypass last week. thankfully he is insured, but there are many many out there who are not. my heart just breaks for them.... again, your story is triumphant ! thanks
  6. by   blue note
    Anti-public plan Sen. DeMint inadvertently concedes that public plan won't take over the market
    (source)
    On Bill Bennett's radio show, DeMint called blocking health care reform the top Republican priority, arguing that of all the items on President Obama's legislative agenda, it would be the hardest to reverse. To support his point, he offered "government schools"-public education-as an example. "You can never, with another piece of legislation, change it," DeMint said:
    DEMINT: I think the biggest issue is health care. I think if they succeed in a government take over of health care the situation may be irreversible. It will be like government schools. I mean you can never just, with another piece of legislation, change it.
    DeMint's example of education is instructive, not because it is hard to repeal, but because it's a prime example of successful public-private competition. Indeed, while state and local governments own and run the public education system-to a much greater extent than either Obama or members of Congress are suggesting with a public health insurance option-private schools are competing against the government and thriving in this country. Further, such competition actually improves outcomes. As the conservative Hoover Institution found, competition between public and private schools "improves achievement for both public and private school students and decreases the amount spent per pupil."
  7. by   GCTMT
    health care deadline unlikely to be met.

    health care reform proponents are growing pessimistic that they can meet president barack obama's august target for passing a bill-saying the next four weeks must fall together perfectly, without a hitch or a hiccup.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories...xzz0l9uoioea&d
  8. by   herring_RN
    Better to take the time to get it right.
    Or at least the best Congress can do.
  9. by   GCTMT
    Quote from herring_RN
    Better to take the time to get it right.
    Or at least the best Congress can do.
    I see where you are coming from Herring. My fear however is that Congress won't get it done at all. They are certainly not going to do it right anyway. Single-payer would be doing it right, at single-payer isn't going to happen.

    Ultimately, if they are unable to have a bill by the August recess because of Democratic infighting, what's the next excuse they are going to use?

    2010 is right around the corner, and the dynamic of the Congress could be completely different by then.
  10. by   blue note
    And now, for some health care reform humor, with charts! Courtesy of Ezra Klein from the WaPo.

    John Boehner's office tries to make the House Dems' plan look really scary, via chart!
    (click for larger version)



    And that, pretty much, is as scary as Boehner's chart guy can make this plan look for the average American. Consumers will have to purchase health-care coverage and will be given financial help to make sure they can afford it. It's about as creepy as your mom telling you to eat lunch and handing you a crumpled $5 before you board the bus in the morning.
    Here's the Dems' response to Boehner's chart:



    Not to be outdone, The New Republic then made a chart of the current health-care system, in all of its convoluted glory!
  11. by   dandalora1
    Unfortunately, the prez had the prez of the ANA on camera. The impression he gave the public, "she represents 2.5 million (or thereabouts) nurses and supports this bill!"

    She is not my voice.

    All of us in the medical field will be affected, gravely, by this.

    It's a scam and a sham!
  12. by   dandalora1
    "office of minority health" gee, sounds to me like we will be addressing health care the same way the employment quotas are handled. "office of majority health"

    According to U.S. census, one group alone, blacks, are the majority and out number caucasions, 5 to 1.

    So, it will be very interesting to see how this plays out.

    Meanwhile, the proof will be in the pudding. You think you are under paid now? Fasten your seatbelts!

    You may want to get your passports ready for a country where there is still some semblance of sanity and before we are told we can't leave the country due to "mandatory national service"!

    Quote from blue note
    And now, for some health care reform humor, with charts! Courtesy of Ezra Klein from the WaPo.

    John Boehner's office tries to make the House Dems' plan look really scary, via chart!
    (click for larger version)



    Here's the Dems' response to Boehner's chart:



    Not to be outdone, The New Republic then made a chart of the current health-care system, in all of its convoluted glory!
  13. by   GCTMT
    Quote from dandalora1

    Meanwhile, the proof will be in the pudding. You think you are under paid now? Fasten your seatbelts!
    That assertion is baseless and void of reality. Canadian Nurses make pretty much the same as we do. I see no viable reason to suspect that nurses will take a pay cut.

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