Is Racism a Fixture of Nursing Academia? - page 4
Check out this activism thread + article posted Timely article from Nursing Spectrum by Carrie Farella, RN, MA Masthead Date June 03, 2002 School of Hard Knocks Is Racism a Fixture of... Read More
Jun 5, '02Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 38,756; Likes: 16,286What about AGEISM and SEXISM? What about reverse discrimination? We have all been victimized at one time or another for who we are and what we are not. I say, move past it. Oh, and I lived and trained as an RN in OKLAHOMA, WAY OUT THERE IN THE STICKS.... where so MANY PATIENTS did NOT trust me cause I was a damn yank from the north. Seems my "somewhere back East" Chicago accent gave me away. I worked to earn their trust and get past their ideas about who I was based on being from BACK THERE. I got called "hey you, girl" more times than I could count there, even as a 35-year-old white RN!!! I never let it daunt or discourage me. It is part of life.
Sexism? When I was in RN school, I watched the two male members of the class get away w/missing class after class., sleeping during lectures, dressing like slobs in clinical rotatoins and clowning around...doing things that got others thrown out. Our attrition rate was UNBELIEVABLE!!!! We only graduated 16 out of 36 who attempted. YET the men hung right in there. A bit of SEXISM there? YOU BET! I am ALL FOR men in nursing....I am glad they are joining us in increasing numbers...but was this fair? Still, I hung in there and worked my butt off to stay in the program, doing above and beyond what was expected of these two men, so as to graduate. So I kinda know what it is like to have to "do more" to meet criteria.
Ya take the good w/the bad and try to leave things better than you found them. That is all I am saying. I was not looking for a debate or to defend myself here. I feel horrible for those who have been at the butt end of discrimination and know how it feels, believe it or not. YES as a white female, I do know what it is like!
As a female in the Air Force 20 years ago, I felt the same sort of pain.....even tho they claimed sexism and harassment did not exist and were not tolerated in the military....HA!!! I knew and experienced otherwise. I simply did not *let* people TREAT me that way. I taught them HOW TO TREAT me and TREATED them with RESPECT,back. I say this again...it begins w/me. Sorry if I hit nerves here; but I feel just as strongly as others here do. I feel we are better off to ACT rather than COMPLAIN. Sorry! peace to all.....Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Jun 5, '02
Jun 5, '02Joined: Feb '02; Posts: 1,178; Likes: 222...if it wasn't for the fact that various nursing bbs exist, many nurses wouldn't have an autonomous place to vent & share their stories. yes, racism, sexism, or ageism aren't pretty but they do exist for many...x2 or x3 for some...but that doesn't make their reality any less than nurses venting or complaining about how their facility administers, docs, & other healthcare professionals view & or treat them. please don't dismiss this or any other subject because it's an ugly one or because some view it as being beat to death...there are new members (newbies) joining here everyday & they have just a much rights to vent about this or any other subject as the rest of us old members.
those of you who seriously believe this subject is beat to death or they're genuinely offended...just either unsubscribe or just don't participate...i rather y'all did so that healthy discussions can continue :blushkiss.Last edit by SKM-NURSIEPOOH on Jun 5, '02
Jun 5, '02Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 38,756; Likes: 16,286I do feel *actions* speak louder than words......even if i am a new member. and this will never end if we don't act. venting is good, but only does "so much"....and it won't effect the changes so desperately needed in nursing and life in general! that's all i am saying as a "new member"......Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Jun 5, '02
Jun 5, '02Joined: Oct '00; Posts: 10,236; Likes: 64Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
What about AGEISM and SEXISM? What about reverse discrimination? We have all been victimized at one time or another for who we are and what we are not. I say, move past it.
Jun 5, '02Occupation: RN Case Manager Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 4,945; Likes: 27I'm done and unsubscribing to this thread. This just brings up old sores and sick feelings I'd rather not deal with on top of everything else going on. I have my thick skin, callouses even, and sometimes I still bleed. But I refuse to get into who has suffered the most and am not so ethno-centric to believe that only people of color suffer. I also refuse to listen to those who try to minimize mine or anyone else's experience.
Bowing out gracefully....Last edit by LasVegasRN on Jun 5, '02
Jun 5, '02Occupation: Patient Education Specialty: 7 year(s) of experience in LDRP; Education ; Joined: Mar '01; Posts: 7,470; Likes: 56Originally posted by LasVegasRN
But I refuse to get into who has suffered the most and am not so ethno-centric to believe that only people of color suffer. I also refuse to listen to those who try to minimize mine or anyone else's experience.
Jun 5, '02Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 38,756; Likes: 16,286I am so sorry to see you GO LasVegas....your contributions are so valuable..as are ALL OF THEM HERE.....i value all opinions here, even those that do not agree w/mine. I learn a lot by listening to others and hope to bring some positive aspects to the board w/my contributions. I know how you feel....I know what you mean. BUT PLEASE do not unsubscribe......try other threads. There are SO MANY HERE! so many! Anyhow, I hope you change your mind!
Jun 5, '02Occupation: Registered Nurse Joined: May '01; Posts: 204; Likes: 8Blah Blah Blah........you hear the same crap from people all the time about how they don't get help to go to school where as other (minority) groups of individuals get help .....well the help is there you have to know how to apply for it....and if you work a job or are married and work and live one line above poverty well guess what .....Ya get no help regardless of what race you are. Racism is going no where as long as there are different races of people on this earth or in this world....that is just the way human beings are (not all of them) some of them can not except difference so all the racist individuals will just have to get over it because no race of an individual isn't going anywhere no time soon. Point made I am signing off.....
Jun 5, '02Joined: Mar '99; Posts: 13,361; Likes: 1,376It is learned and in Oklahoma, Michigan, and California where I have lived it was impossible to ignore. Nurses as a rule care for all patients regardless of color or culture. We have empathy for our patients pain, fear, and love.
All of us suffer when anyone is not treated as equal.
So many individual differences make generalizing difficult.
I was an LVN for many years. Of my fellow students most hispanic and black classmates are still LVNs. Most white LVNs returned for their RN.
I know many more intelligent and just as hard working as I am did not return to school. Why????
My nursing school was listed in Ebony Magazine as a top Black College.
50% of us were not black. 50% were over 25 years of age (more among nursing majors).
I agree that if this thread is too uncomfortable, read another. After the OJ verdict I was very excited that we in the CNA had voted to leave the ANA (nothing evil about them, just a difference in the best way to achieve the same basic goals). That trial was not as important to me as to most.
I would approach neighbors of 30 years who suddenly became silent. I think they thought I would disagree (disapprove?) with the verdict because of my race.
Now we are still able to greet each other again. Odd that we had not forgotton our color difference after so many years.
With true friends it is very different. I only argue with friends, wanting to explain even if we disagree.
So, are all nurses my friends since this is a looong paragraph?
Jun 5, '02Occupation: Patient Education Specialty: 7 year(s) of experience in LDRP; Education ; Joined: Mar '01; Posts: 7,470; Likes: 56Originally posted by EXOTIC NURSE
Blah Blah Blah........you hear the same crap from people all the time about how they don't get help to go to school where as other (minority) groups of individuals get help .....well the help is there you have to know how to apply for it. Point made I am signing off.....
Perhaps you should re-read LasVegasRN's comment when she stated so eloquently:
I also refuse to listen to those who try to minimize mine or anyone else's experience.
Jun 5, '02Occupation: Retired Joined: Jul '01; Posts: 4,288; Likes: 31The best way to teach others how to behave (or to teach others ANYTHING) is by setting a good example.
That is all I have to say about that!
Jun 5, '02Occupation: Jack of all trades Specialty: 20 year(s) of experience in Med/Surg, Geriatrics ; From: US ; Joined: May '01; Posts: 4,438; Likes: 3,918originally posted by skm-nursiepooh
those of you who seriously believe this subject is beat to death or they're genuinely offended...just either unsubscribe or just don't participate...i rather y'all did so that healthy discussions can continue :blushkiss.
:wink2: very well said, rock on!
Jun 5, '02Joined: Nov '01; Posts: 765; Likes: 14I know Susy K there is racism all over but you know what I am so grateful that my parents didn't teach me to hate. I can get along with anyone that likes to laugh. I love working with different people it is a shame we are still dealing with this dark side of humanity. Anyone that knows me I am easy going I honestly don't look for racism because like the other nurses say a lot of people don't really dish it out. It only takes one bad rotten apple to spoil for everyone. I don't work in clicks especially with us vs them I hate that if I don't like someone it is their personality their race has no bearing. Lets face we all bleed red and poop various colors lets just get along!
Susy K how are you doing anyhow are guys busy in OB? Take care.