I want to know what nurses think about socialized medicine. - page 4

I'm doing a report on Socialized medicine and dont know much about how people feel about it as I live in Idaho.What are any of you Canadian nurses feelings about it? Good or Bad?... Read More

  1. by   Chaya
    I would like to know where the "cracks" or weaknesses are that people "fall through" in other systems. Like in the US it is not uncommon unless you have a very good financial/ family support system for something like cancer to have a catastrophic effect in that if the breadwinner/ healthcare insurance holder becomes too ill to work, healthcare can become inaccessable for the entire family. (I am not counting COBRA: it is just not realistic for a family, even if fortunate enough to be receiving the average unemployment income of $1200/ mo to cover rent/ food/ utilities/ transportation, etc, etc. to be allocating $1000 out of that sum for medical insurance alone!) Do other countries do a better job of providing for this sort of event?
  2. by   oslogirl
    Quote from 2BSure
    Really? What is your source of this information?
    Insurance cos. raise premiums to offset the costs assoc. with tx chronic dzs. This is common knowledge.
  3. by   Silverdragon102
    People do fall through the cracks in the UK but a lot is due to the patient not returning or not turning up for appointments. Generally because it is 'free' (and I use the term freely as we all know in the UK you pay for it in most cases via national insurance) people expect care regardless on the cost. If surgeons provide private care in the UK and work for the NHS then usually NHS is supposed to come first.
  4. by   NotReady4PrimeTime
    I'm going to merge this thread with another one that popped up yesterday, one I merged with yet another. So when you return to this thread, please start at the beginning and read it all the way through. Thank you.
  5. by   c_beshore_rn
    Thank you Janfrn for all the merging of my redundant questions. I'm still trying to figure out how this site works. Sorry.
  6. by   NotReady4PrimeTime
    Quote from c_beshore_rn
    Thank you Janfrn for all the merging of my redundant questions. I'm still trying to figure out how this site works. Sorry.
    No worries. It's not a big deal; we just like to keep all our ducks in a row... Now back to your regularly scheduled discussion!
  7. by   2BSure
    Quote from oslogirl
    Insurance cos. raise premiums to offset the costs assoc. with tx chronic dzs. This is common knowledge.
    With respect "common knowledge" is not a fact. Also, you specifically said "preventable chronic disease" and presented it as if it was the only reason insurance premiums get raised -- that is a misleadingly simplistic view of the industry. If any insurance company raised its premiums solely to offset costs of policy pay outs their profits would not have continued to rise historically.
  8. by   saarein
    I would like to know how all this "free healthcare" is going to be paid for. Who is going to pay for it? Nothing is free! My husband and I already pay enough taxes for three people. He has his own business and with federal taxes (no state~we live in FL), medicare, business insurance, unemployment insurance, we see about 56% of our money. Now will we have more taxes taken out for "free healthcare"? Will I have to get a second job? Oh boy!
  9. by   c_beshore_rn
    I don't think you'd see your taxes go up anymore then what u pay for insurance premiums now out-of-pocket to private institutions...that may or may not cover u if u became ill. Atleast, from what I understand, u couldn't be "dropped" from coverage and most insurance companies now have a"cap" on what they will pay. Some of those "caps" are easy to reach if you have to have a major surg. or have mulitple treatments. I think this single payer/ universal plan would benefit small business owners more than anyone else. It's a HUGE expense to buy healthcare for your family + employees if that is what u do now.
  10. by   CRNA2007
    and you know this? how? her taxes will go up as well as everyone in the middle class. Wait to you see people abuse a system when it's "free". It is unsustainable to have free health care for all with only a few paying for it.




    Quote from c_beshore_rn
    I don't think you'd see your taxes go up anymore then what u pay for insurance premiums now out-of-pocket to private institutions...that may or may not cover u if u became ill. Atleast, from what I understand, u couldn't be "dropped" from coverage and most insurance companies now have a"cap" on what they will pay. Some of those "caps" are easy to reach if you have to have a major surg. or have mulitple treatments. I think this single payer/ universal plan would benefit small business owners more than anyone else. It's a HUGE expense to buy healthcare for your family + employees if that is what u do now.
  11. by   loriangel14
    Quote from CRNA2007
    and you know this? how? her taxes will go up as well as everyone in the middle class. Wait to you see people abuse a system when it's "free". It is unsustainable to have free health care for all with only a few paying for it.

    But it's not only a few paying , it is everyone.
  12. by   oslogirl
    Quote from 2BSure
    With respect "common knowledge" is not a fact. Also, you specifically said "preventable chronic disease" and presented it as if it was the only reason insurance premiums get raised -- that is a misleadingly simplistic view of the industry. If any insurance company raised its premiums solely to offset costs of policy pay outs their profits would not have continued to rise historically.
    Really? What is your source?
    It is a FACT that ins. cos raise premiums to offset tx of chronic dzs. The only reason? No. I realize pcd is not the sole reason premiums rise. That was not my intent. My point was this: I believe more funding should go to prevention, b/c such an enourmous amount of money is spent txing chroinic dzs.

    Oslogirl, RN-BSN for almost thirteen years.
    Last edit by VivaLasViejas on Jun 19, '09 : Reason: unnecessary input
  13. by   Toquay
    The storm is coming and we all have no clue the magnitude of it. The people that can pay now will continue to pay and the ones that can't or won't will still not be able to contribute (except to the debt of healthcare). Doctors will continue to order exorbitant tests to cover their butts from lawsuits. Example, person that comes to ER 50 times a year for abd pain will always get the full meal deal work up because the one time its not done and they actually have something wrong they win the lawsuit lottery. Every chest pain over age 45 (some younger) regardless of tests being negative will be admitted to be precautionary. As long as the liabilty of the doctors are high they will protect themselves, it we make them less liable then we have to worry about quality of care standards.

    Preventative care will help if people actually go to visits and try to take better care of themselves. However, I still see people that say that can't get to walmart for the "free" antibiotic but they can afford the daily 6 pack beer and their smokes. The cost to try and overhaul the healthcare system will come at a price to all of us there really is no way to avoid it, higher taxes (instituted slowly to make Obama look good), perhaps lower pay to medical personnel, higher insurance premiums for the haves to cover the have nots. I honestly think they should start with overhauling present programs and weed out the fradulent advantage takers. How many are on disability collecting a check and can work? I see alot of young people on disability these days and while some may be legit I would venture to say some are not, they should be working and supporting the system. Healthcare is definately broke and we do need reform, but you can't spend trillions of dollars and not expect our personal bottom lines to change.

    Toq

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