I want to know what nurses think about socialized medicine. - page 10

I'm doing a report on Socialized medicine and dont know much about how people feel about it as I live in Idaho.What are any of you Canadian nurses feelings about it? Good or Bad?... Read More

  1. by   blue note
    Quote from Spidey's mom
    It is not a secret where they are coming from.

    Michael interviews people who are liberal . . . . John is rebutting him with conservative or libertarian thought.
    It is no secret where Michael Moore is coming from. John Stossel pretends to be an impartial journalist when he is not.
  2. by   HM2VikingRN
    Journalism ethics is not an oxymoron:

    Seek Truth and Report It
    Journalists should be honest, fair and courageous in gathering, reporting and interpreting information.

    Journalists should:

    — Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error. Deliberate distortion is never permissible.
    — Diligently seek out subjects of news stories to give them the opportunity to respond to allegations of wrongdoing.
    — Identify sources whenever feasible. The public is entitled to as much information as possible on sources' reliability.
    — Always question sources’ motives before promising anonymity. Clarify conditions attached to any promise made in exchange for information. Keep promises.
    Make certain that headlines, news teases and promotional material, photos, video, audio, graphics, sound bites and quotations do not misrepresent. They should not oversimplify or highlight incidents out of context.
    — Never distort the content of news photos or video. Image enhancement for technical clarity is always permissible. Label montages and photo illustrations.
    — Avoid misleading re-enactments or staged news events. If re-enactment is necessary to tell a story, label it.
    — Avoid undercover or other surreptitious methods of gathering information except when traditional open methods will not yield information vital to the public. Use of such methods should be explained as part of the story
    — Never plagiarize.
    — Tell the story of the diversity and magnitude of the human experience boldly, even when it is unpopular to do so.
    — Examine their own cultural values and avoid imposing those values on others.
    — Avoid stereotyping by race, gender, age, religion, ethnicity, geography, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance or social status.
    — Support the open exchange of views, even views they find repugnant.
    — Give voice to the voiceless; official and unofficial sources of information can be equally valid.
    Distinguish between advocacy and news reporting. Analysis and commentary should be labeled and not misrepresent fact or context.
    — Distinguish news from advertising and shun hybrids that blur the lines between the two.
    — Recognize a special obligation to ensure that the public's business is conducted in the open and that government records are open to inspection.
    at http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp
  3. by   blue note
    Quote from leslie :-D
    i have always liked him and now, feel totally deluded.
    i found another piece by mediamatters, that speaks to stossel's distorted and misleading views on public schools.
    this is just so unacceptable on many levels, but mostly because he has received awards for his journalism...
    and now, to find out that what he reports on, is slanted to reflect his ideals.
    He was asked, "If you believe that consumer reporting works, and is a better regulator than regulation or lawsuits, why did you stop doing it?"

    His reply: "I got sick of it. I also now make so much money I just lost interest in saving a buck on a can of peas. Twenty years was enough. But mainly, I came to realize that the government was doing far more harm to people than business and I ought to be reporting on that. Nobody else was."

    He also claimed that the Enron collapse proved that free market capitalism worked! "There are no big national scams except for Enron. Because markets figure it out. Not the government. Enron is an example of how well the market worked for people. Enron's stock came tumbling down. When the government fails, we give them more money. So, yes, there are Enrons, but the exception proves the rule."

    A response in a LA paper pointed out that "Enron collapsed not due to a stock tumble but because government investigations disclosed accounting fraud, and Ken Lay's Ponzi scheme was exposed. Most investors lost their shirts, and thousands of Enron employees lost their jobs. That's "how well the market works for people"?" (source - and there's more there)
  4. by   leslie :-D
    Quote from blue note
    How true. That John Stossel is a hack corporate shill is not news. Remember the 20/20 organic food story he did, which resulted in ABC reprimanding him for lying about tests conducted and he was forced to apologize on air? He has about as much credibility as his fellow pornstache club member, Geraldo.
    the organic food story, was only 1 of sev'l i was reading about.
    blue, you knew this about him and didn't tell me?????:lol_hitti
    seriously, i am so, so disappointed.
    i really believed him all these yrs.

    Quote from HM2Viking
    Without personal credibility he has failed as a journalist. :<<
    he most certainly has.
    that is now undisputable.

    Quote from blue note
    It is no secret where Michael Moore is coming from. John Stossel pretends to be an impartial journalist when he is not.
    bingo.
    he's a fraud.
    i don't understand how he can be defended as a journalist.

    leslie
  5. by   blue note
    Quote from leslie :-D
    the organic food story, was only 1 of sev'l i was reading about.
    blue, you knew this about him and didn't tell me?????:lol_hitti
    Sorry you got your Stossel bubble burst....
  6. by   HM2VikingRN
    And now for our regularly scheduled program....
  7. by   ghillbert
    Quote from Spidey's mom
    My impression is that she does not know one single person who would trade UHC for the US system.
    Correct

    But just because she doesn't know some, doesn't mean there aren't some who WOULD trade UHC for the US system. And some who come to the US for care because they are not satisfied with their system.
    Obviously I do not know everyone in the world who has UHC (!)... and of COURSE there are those that are dissatisfied with their system (as I said) - but although I can definitely appreciate the flaws in, for example, my country's system does not mean that I would trade it for the US system.

    In my health care econ class last night we have a student from Poland who says their health care system is terrible, they are overtaxed and the system is run by the government. She gave examples of her own mom and the mess of her experience with an illness and not being able to be seen for 5 months.
    Do you REALLY think you can compare Poland (or Lithuania, or whatever other poor disadvantaged country you can think of with government-run healthcare) with Canada or Australia?

    There ARE people in countries with UHC who do not like it.
    Of course. Would they swap for the US system? A 5 month wait when you have no insurance is better than a permanent wait with no insurance.
  8. by   K98
    My health insurance is just fine. It has covered mine and my family's needs since our children were infants. My son was born with a bilateral cleft and is still being treated at age 18. I don't want the government involved in providing insurance, and I certainly don't want to be taxed to pay for insurance for others.
  9. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from ghillbert

    Do you REALLY think you can compare Poland (or Lithuania, or whatever other poor disadvantaged country you can think of with government-run healthcare) with Canada or Australia?

    I wasn't comparing my friend's story with Canada or Australia . . .just telling a story from class.

    We are knee-deep in this subject in my econ class - lots of conversation, lots of speakers of all stripes, it is quite an education.

    (Did I mention that she had to bribe the nurses to do things for her mom?). :spin:


    steph
  10. by   saarein
    Please, I think we have beat this dead horse enough! We will have to agree to disagree on this subject. There are those of us who will not just sit by and accept everything that is hand fed to us. No matter what anyone tells us, we have our principles and ideas of what is right and wrong. I really do think we need a way to vent our frustrations of this mess in a more pragmatic way; taking more of my hard earned money out of my paycheck so other people can enjoy the "right" of having insurance is not the way!
  11. by   elkpark
    While I'm quite sure that there are individuals, perhaps many individuals, in countries with UHC programs that are dissatisfied with their country's system, I'm not aware (and I do make an effort to stay informed on international healthcare issues) of any country with a UHC system that has any sort of movement to disassemble the UHC system and move to a US-style, laissez-faire, private insurance system. If I'm wrong, I would be happy to be corrected.
  12. by   HM2VikingRN
    Quote from saarein
    taking more of my hard earned money out of my paycheck so other people can enjoy the "right" of having insurance is not the way!
    Except that a payroll tax based system will REPLACE insurance premiums/copays and will lower net costs to individuals..........

    see http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepaye...hp#raise_taxes
  13. by   K98
    Quote from HM2Viking
    Except that a payroll tax based system will REPLACE insurance premiums/copays and will lower net costs to individuals..........

    see http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepaye...hp#raise_taxes
    If my health insurance is provided at no cost to me by my employer, how is a payroll tax going to lower my net cost?

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