Nurse suspended for prayer offer

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by MaryAnn_RN MaryAnn_RN Member

Specializes in ICU. Has 15 years experience.

Batman24

Batman24

1,975 Posts

Instead of suspending her without pay for over a month why not just advise her not to do it again?! Let her know that if a family asks her to pray with them she is then free to do so but can't be the one to initiate it. That could have been done in a 2 minute conversation. Yeesh.

leslie :-D

11,191 Posts

Instead of suspending her without pay for over a month why not just advise her not to do it again?! Let her know that if a family asks her to pray with them she is then free to do so but can't be the one to initiate it. That could have been done in a 2 minute conversation. Yeesh.

yep.

i was just about to post that this seems a bit severe.

dang.

leslie

jmgrn65, RN

Specializes in cardiac/critical care/ informatics. Has 16 years experience. 1,344 Posts

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of, my facility actually encourages nurse to pray with patients of course we are a faith based hospital.

hypocaffeinemia

hypocaffeinemia, BSN, RN

Specializes in Critical Care. 1,381 Posts

Instead of suspending her without pay for over a month why not just advise her not to do it again?! Let her know that if a family asks her to pray with them she is then free to do so but can't be the one to initiate it. That could have been done in a 2 minute conversation. Yeesh.

As an atheist, I agree.

Neveranurseagain

Neveranurseagain, RN

Has 26 years experience. 866 Posts

I would be offended if a nurse offered to pray for me. Having your nurse ask if she can pray for you is a judgment call about that person's beliefs and nurses need to be objective and non-judgmental about what a pt's religion is or isn't.

It would be different if a pt asked you to pray with her as you could call the hospital chaplain or offer to call the pt's chaplain. But nurses are not at work to pray with pt's as everyones religion is different and the nurses prayer may offend a pt.

But it is a bit severe...unless it has been an issue before.

Edited by Neveranurseagain

leslie :-D

11,191 Posts

I would be offended if a nurse offered to pray for me. Having your nurse ask if she can pray for you is a judgment call about that person's beliefs and nurses need to be objective and non-judgmental about what a pt's religion is or isn't.

It would be different if a pt asked you to pray with her as you could call the hospital chaplain or offer to call the pt's chaplain. But nurses are not at work to pray with pt's as everyones religion is different and the nurses prayer may offend a pt.

But it is a bit severe...unless it has been an issue before.

in the article it states that since God had been doing amazing things in her life, she had prayed for many pts and they were (supposedly) delighted.

now, one has to wonder.

otherwise, i am not understanding the severity of the discipline.

leslie

jmgrn65, RN

Specializes in cardiac/critical care/ informatics. Has 16 years experience. 1,344 Posts

I would be offended if a nurse offered to pray for me. Having your nurse ask if she can pray for you is a judgment call about that person's beliefs and nurses need to be objective and non-judgmental about what a pt's religion is or isn't.

It would be different if a pt asked you to pray with her as you could call the hospital chaplain or offer to call the pt's chaplain. But nurses are not at work to pray with pt's as everyones religion is different and the nurses prayer may offend a pt.

But it is a bit severe...unless it has been an issue before.

I don't understand why you would be offended, you just simply say no thanks and that would be the end of it. IMHO

Edited by jmgrn65
forgot a word.

hypocaffeinemia

hypocaffeinemia, BSN, RN

Specializes in Critical Care. 1,381 Posts

I don't understand why you would be offended, you just simply say no thanks and that would be the end of it. IMHO

I don't know if offended is the correct word, but I'd be a bit irked at the gall the nurse must have to make such assumptions about a patient's religious or cultural practices; or worse, to abuse her position as caregiver as a bully pulpit for proselytization (not that this seems to be the case in this instance).

MrsWampthang

MrsWampthang, BSN, RN

Specializes in Emergency room, med/surg, UR/CSR. 511 Posts

I don't understand why you would be offended, you just simply say no thanks and that would be the end of it. IMHO

I totally agree. I don't see why we, as nurses, can't offer to pray with patients. My husband, who works in the ER, has prayed for patients on a couple of occasions. He asks them if they would like him to pray and in both cases they said yes. He then proceeded to pray for them while he was carrying out his duties. I see nothing wrong or offensive with that. I, unfortunately, have never been comfortable praying outloud with someone, but have said numerous prayers for my patient on my own. I have prayed at the bedside of comatose patients when I was alone with them. Again, I see nothing wrong or offensive about that. If anyone did not want prayer then like JM says, just say "no thanks" and leave it at that. I see nothng wrong or offensive with asking. If the nurse had just began praying without asking, then I could see it; as it was, I see nothing wrong with what she did. God bless her for reaching out to her patients like that. It shows a whole other level of caring, and isn't that why we're in this busines? Just my :twocents:.

Pam

Viviana

Viviana, ASN, RN

Specializes in Travel. Has 25 years experience. 54 Posts

I'm praying for Caroline.

Mrs. Wampthing, I am not good at praying out loud either, so I memorized a couple of prayers to use, and this really works. Once you memorize a prayer that you feel is effective, you will be able to modify it prn.

gentlegiver

gentlegiver, ASN, LPN, RN

Specializes in Geriatrics. 848 Posts

I have been known to sit by my patients side when they are having a bad day and pray with them. I also am known to sing Amazing Grace while doing final care on my patient that has passed. I have offered to call a person from thier church to give Last Rights (or what ever thier religion has) . When in a room with a Pt who is watching mass on TV I will stop & bow my head during a prayer, I don't care what religion they are. Never had anyone complain of this, and had quite a few family members thank me for taking the time. I have to wonder if the problem was that her religion was not the same as the company she worked for.