Why bother? - page 3
I have been a NP for over 10 years and am ready to throw in the towel. THe frustration and anger I feel cannot be expressed. Over the last few years I have seen increasing... Read More
Aug 1, '02Occupation: Nurse Practitioner Joined: Jan '01; Posts: 481; Likes: 36Olympiad,
I agree, sad isn't it?
Aug 3, '02Occupation: ER/ICU RN Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 6I could not agree with you more. From my point of veiw (RN) advanced degrees mean a lot more work for the SAME amount of money. Check it out, I have worked side by side with Nurse Practitioners and PA's for years for the SAME amount of money. They work twice as hard, have lots higher insurance, make the same. Go figure. Sorry, bad for them good for us. It is great being an RN in this day and time.
Aug 4, '02Occupation: cardiovascular clinical nurse specialist Joined: Oct '01; Posts: 45; Likes: 1Texman,
Well I will have to say that I and all of the NPs and PAs I know make at least twice the salary that those RNs are making, and no we don't work horrendous hours, I never work more than 40-42 and if I do I take pay back time. None of us work evenings or nights or weekend. Some do come in for an on call weekend every 4-5 weeks. So I guess there is some reason to feel we are recognized for our worth. It's too bad though that those RNs don't see how they are being used to further the MDs salary yet not being paid to do the work!
Oct 22, '02Occupation: student Joined: Oct '02; Posts: 36Okay, reading this discussion really makes me lean toward the CRNA thing. It sort of confirms some suspicions I have had about the profession. Additionally, I have seen more and more ads cropping up that want a "physician extender". I see this may be a way around hiring np's who may be threatening the $$ from GNP's practices. Unless the nursing lobby/unions start to crack down on this issue, both the NP's and the patients will be the ones that loose. However, I would not put my money on the nursing group. Although they make up the largest group of healthcare professionals, they haven't ever seemed to be able to make many political gains in their favor. Indeed this is frustrating. Now they are being walked on again, surprise, surprise.
Nov 7, '02Occupation: student Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 7I had been considering the accelerated entry to nursing program, but over the last few months had decided it wasn't for me.
The fact that I was just unsure about nursing as a whole and also the facts that you have all given here only supported my decision against it.
Anyway, my question is this:
I am wondering about a possible case of fraud.
I know someone who went to a dermatologist for laser hair removal. The first visit was a consultation(about 10 min) with the doc and on that day the nurse (LPN) performed the surgery.
They said it would take about 4-5 visits for total removal.
The following visit, the doctor was not seen and the LPN performed the surgery again.
Now is this fraud because the patient did not see the Doc, yet was billed $400 for a 15 min procedure, insurance clearly not covering it???
Please give me your thoughts.
ThanksLast edit by KBC119 on Nov 7, '02
Sep 6, '03Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 1,214; Likes: 63Greetings all!
Just to add in, on the topic.
How would you feel about a NON-NURSE writing meds, giving test results, and even going as far as perscribing... yes, perscribing meds for abnormal tests (exp... hyperlipidemia) per a formulary by the MD.
I work with one of the most brilliant MD's I've come accross, and while I would really like to terminate him on some days, and most all other MD's EVERY day; when I arrived, MEDICAL ASSISTANTS were doing just this.
Needless to say, it doesn't happen anymore, but it WAS happening, and this brilliant MD was in favor of it.
-David Adams, ACNP, FNP
P.S. Who thinks Lipitor 10mg +PO Qd is adquate for >600 cholestrol? I actually, during chart review found this was perscribed!
Aug 25, '09Joined: Aug '09; Posts: 15; Likes: 3Wouldn't that be passing these people off as NP's?. I worked for a cardiologist as a nurse clinician. I made rounds for her but the hospital didn't let me make notes for her just to sign. I was not at that level and never intended to be. I am in the process right now going back to grad school to get into acute care. I will say something though and I don't mean for this to bed critical. Who is making the choices for people right now? How come states will require a doctorate degree in the near future to work as a NP when they are getting paid less than what nurses make in hospitals? Isn't it time for the ANA to start standing up for nurses and nurses wages out there?
But in the long run I will tell you something. I don't know how old people are out there but when you are turning 58 and there aren't jobs to be had anymore for RN's because they are too old to work at the bedside, it takes too long to get their degree to teach and everyone working in a doctors office are MA's it gives one a time to pause. Why can't NP's go it alone and be hired on contract and not be hired by MD's? Why aren't hospitals paying them more money than their regular nurses?
Aug 25, '09Occupation: FNP Specialty: 33 year(s) of experience ; From: US ; Joined: Nov '05; Posts: 316; Likes: 85Quote from olympiad27Where are you practicing?I have been a NP for over 10 years and am ready to throw in the towel. THe frustration and anger I feel cannot be expressed.
Over the last few years I have seen increasing numbers of physicians hiring RNs to help with their practice.
Theses nurses are functioning as physician extenders and perform all of the functions that a PA or NP would normally perform.
THey are able to do this because the MDs cover and sign for them. Yes the nurses are practicing outside their scope of practice. No one seems to care about the legality, much less the moral or ethical issues. THe physician is the big winner here. He can bill for his services on a daily basis in the office or hospital and then have his nurse provide the service.
He can then pay the nurse a fraction of what he would have to pay a NP. Imagine going to the hospital and seeing the MDs nurse for your initial encounter, who then performs your history and physical exam, writes all admitting orders, including medications and diagnostic studies. THen when you get the bill, it is for the MDs service ! This way he is able to get much more done in a day and continue to make money.
I think the bottom line is $$$$$ and that the future for those considering going back to school for an advanced practice role is in serious jeopardy.
Aug 26, '09Occupation: allnurses Asst Community Manager, APRN Specialty: 25 year(s) of experience in Nephrology, Cardiology, ER, ICU ; From: US ; Joined: Apr '00; Posts: 53,367; Likes: 26,199This post is 7 years old - the practice act may have changed now.
Aug 26, '09Joined: Aug '09; Posts: 15; Likes: 3Hi,
I am sorry that I didn't know that this posting was so old.
Aug 27, '09Joined: Jun '05; Posts: 1,124; Likes: 858Not going to read all 4 pages, but I've turned in a few MD offices to the BNE who have techs claiming on the phone to be RNs. Unless people start doing this for the situations described in the original post, nothing will happen.
Aug 27, '09Joined: Jun '05; Posts: 1,124; Likes: 858Quote from TexmanI could not agree with you more. From my point of veiw (RN) advanced degrees mean a lot more work for the SAME amount of money. Check it out, I have worked side by side with Nurse Practitioners and PA's for years for the SAME amount of money. They work twice as hard, have lots higher insurance, make the same. Go figure. Sorry, bad for them good for us. It is great being an RN in this day and time.
Gosh, I gotta wonder where you are working. All of my NP friends are making 80-90K right out of school and they aren't working side by side with the RNs. There may be an RN in the office, but they aren't doing the same task. Yeah, I guess I could make 85K as an RN with busting butt in overtime and working 12 hour shifts at the bedside maybe? That doesn't compare to 9-5 M-
F with no holidays!