NPs who don't bill

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Hi All, i just wanted to get everyone's opinion regarding participating in a practice that does not allow me to bill. Heres the story...

So I work in an independent practice state. I work in an outpatient clinic for a specialty clinic at a hospital. There are 8 nurse practitioners who are inpatient only. The inpatient NPs do rounds/consults, as well as manage the patients on the service, and are the pre/post procedure NPs. None of them are allowed to bill for their services. They do the work, the MD signs off on their notes and drops the bill. Same for me, i see about 10 patient per day in the clinic, i do the H&P, prescribe Rx, help formulate plan of care, write the note...the MD comes in behind me signs off on the note, drops the bill. I am also responsible for typical outpatient NP duties, such as responding to patient phone calls.

I have a couple of qualms about this job (mostly because i feel like a glorified RN, i made anther post about it a month ago), but i am getting close to annual review time. It donned on me that not only am I under the hospital restrictions re: my pay increase, but i can't ask for an additional raise because i don't have proof of productivity because i don't bill. The docs here are bankrolling from the NPs while we are ALL getting paid the minimum by the hospital. While our director throws many a parties and talks often about how much the department makes, but the NPs never get a raise aside from the yearly 1-2% from the hospital. I understand that not all money made can be allocated to payroll, but does anybody see this as a little fishy? I previously worked at a practice where i did my own billing; i came to this job thinking i would have more support and eventually they would let me bill independently; but now im not so sure? Their reasoning for doing all the billing is that because they do procedures, the patient should always see the MD. Thoughts???

Your so right about that I to a 30 dollar an hour pay cut to leave the floor as an RN and work as an NP. I know a lot of people that have NP but dont work as one because they cant afford the pay cut.

My docs make all the money and I get my salary which is pennys compareed to what I make for them I see 30 patients a day average bill is 200 thats 120000 a month and I get paid 11800 a month and thats if I made my bonus.

what type of visit pays 200 bucks for 15, max 20 minutes of work? just curious

I work in the skilled post acute setting at 3 facilities in California. Just a few of our CPT codes

NEW PATIENT FEE

99304 INITIAL 25 MINUTES $260.00

99305 INITIAL 35 MINUTES $370.00

99306 INITIAL 45 MINUTES $475.00

ESTABLISHED PATIENT FEE

99307 SUBSEQUENT 10 MINUTES $130.00

99308 SUBSEQUENT 15 MINUTES $200.00

99309 SUBSEQUENT 25 MINUTES $260.00

Cash practice? Medicare pays about 77 dollars for an initial Psych Eval done by an NP.

Great if you have the wealthy population to sustain it.

I work in the skilled post acute setting at 3 facilities in California. Just a few of our CPT codes

NEW PATIENT FEE

99304 INITIAL 25 MINUTES $260.00

99305 INITIAL 35 MINUTES $370.00

99306 INITIAL 45 MINUTES $475.00

ESTABLISHED PATIENT FEE

99307 SUBSEQUENT 10 MINUTES $130.00

99308 SUBSEQUENT 15 MINUTES $200.00

99309 SUBSEQUENT 25 MINUTES $260.00

You can charge whatever you want. Medicare determines what they pay. Here are the Medicare reimbursement rates for the codes you quoted:

CPTwRVUsMedicare reimbursement

993041.64 $59.04

993052.35 $84.60

993063.06 $110.16

993070.76 $27.36

993081.16 $41.76

993091.55 $55.80

As you can see the reimbursement is much less than $200 for 15 minutes work (actually 1/5 of that). Medicaid pays even less and most private payers will have a negotiated rate that is some multiple of Medicare (1 to 1.4 x ).

I went to Urgent Care recently for ear wax leading to infection/hearing loss. The physician flushed out my ear and prescribed an antibiotic. When the bill came, she had charged 800 dollars, but she accepted the 120 bucks my insurance paid.

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