NP w/no desire for RN?

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krisssy

585 Posts

Hi there- Dah! Sounds like this chick gave you an example of the dynamics of "oppressed group behavior". Heck you could even fly that past her but why fuel the needless debate. Truly I do think there is SO much of this type of behavior even in advanced nursing. If we don't respect ourselves ( as nurses), no one else will.

Lookit- I do feel that a Psych NP that practices with complex medical cases would need a lot of med/surg. But hey, there are different ways to practice as an Psych NP. You could potentially even work with a relatively physically stable group with immense psych needs-i.e. college health comes to mind. More and more I'm seeing ads such as these.

I still lurk these pages because I still would like to have Rx priviledges. However, I too am in my fifties. The one school I loved has virtually no distance component and I simply don't have energy with my almost full-time job.(I do have a doctorate and essentially do counseling-but the rx priviledge would really be nice.)

By the way, do the professors ever give feedback re the dialogue in your course? I'm not suggesting that they censor by any means, but I would hope that they could stear the class back to its intended purpose(Theory/Ethics,right?)After all it's not a "group process" course. And even with "group process" courses, there are guidelines. Hey, be well, and take care.

Hi Spaniel,

You are a nurse with a doctorate and masters in psychology?

The end up with the whole thing is that now this nurse in my group really respects me. This change took place because I told her what Buttons told me to tell her, and she sees all the hard work I am doing for the group. The professor commented to me that she finds the discussion in our group very interesting and that she enjoys reading it. Also, she has commended my work posting one essay as the best in my group and posting an another essay for me to see saying it was excellent.

Now it seems that this nurse and I are working well together, but the other three nurses in our group are not posting at all. The assigned group leader has not set up the work for the week. What do you do in a case like this? Do you go to the professor or what else can i do? should this one nurse and i do what we are supposed to do without the others?

Krisssy

krisssy

585 Posts

Hi Krissy--

I've been lurking here for a while. I love the title of the entire discussion, because at age 47 I'm in the same boat (without the RN degree or experience). I really want to become an NP, and it does seem like such a long road with a lot of hoops to jump through, especially since a few of the hoops don't interest me too much. It's been great watching the transformation you've gone through--you were so scared about the online program, now you're the STAR of your class!!

:balloons: :balloons:

I'm applying to direct entry Masters programs, then I'll be looking for an online NP program. I've forgotten which school you're going to--could you please give me the info on it?

Thanks and good luck--you're doing great!

Oh thank you so much for your kind words. I have had a rough couple of years. I am so happy I had the guts to go to this school,to get my MHPNP degree.

I love this school. I had a problem at the beginning with not understanding how a computer course works. Their technical support people were great. I also received a long letter from the professor explaining what to do. Now I am doing great. It is called The Sinclair School of Nursing Missouri University Columbia. You should definitely go ahead with your plans. There is a thread going on about direct entry programs where you can get a lot of feedback.I received a lot of knowledge and support from this website. There are also a lot of threads going on about older people going back to school. You just need to check out every website on direct entry programs that you can find. The nurses on the direct entry thread will be happy to give you names of schools. Maybe MU(my school) has a direct entry program. Then just go ahead and apply online. But do it! If I can, you can too. Without allnurses.com ,I never would have even had enough information to do what I am doing. Stay in touch, and let us know what you are doling. Krisssy

Louise409

26 Posts

Thanks for the info Krissy--it looks like a great program, I just may end up there later! Keep up the good work!:nurse:

krisssy

585 Posts

OK I am ready to give my next report on my online class. I LOVE the class. I enjoy learning about nursing history and theory, the assignments are interesting, and the teacher is nice. BUT, the group I am in is definitely not cohesive. The nurse who made the comment about my inexperience has turned out to be my best friend after I expressed myself the way Buttons suggested. Now about the other three. Basically, they don't come to the group very often. When they do come, they have not done the readings and have no idea what's going on. They comment about the wrong topics, and they are basically clueless. If we say anything, they get super defensive saying nasty things. The three of them encourage eachother to make the group work not life's priority. They basically say that they do not have to post very often if they don't want to. But the professor has the whole course worked out around the groups working together. It is getting very tense. Have you ever come across a situation like this? Any suggestions?

Krisssy

Selke

543 Posts

OK I am ready to give my next report on my online class. I LOVE the class. I enjoy learning about nursing history and theory, the assignments are interesting, and the teacher is nice. BUT, the group I am in is definitely not cohesive. The nurse who made the comment about my inexperience has turned out to be my best friend after I expressed myself the way Buttons suggested. Now about the other three. Basically, they don't come to the group very often. When they do come, they have not done the readings and have no idea what's going on. They comment about the wrong topics, and they are basically clueless. If we say anything, they get super defensive saying nasty things. The three of them encourage eachother to make the group work not life's priority. They basically say that they do not have to post very often if they don't want to. But the professor has the whole course worked out around the groups working together. It is getting very tense. Have you ever come across a situation like this? Any suggestions?

Krisssy

Isn't it the job of the teacher to moderate this kind of thing? She's grading the class and participation is part of the grade.

krisssy

585 Posts

Isn't it the job of the teacher to moderate this kind of thing? She's grading the class and participation is part of the grade.

The teacher went on a family vacation to Canada and emails us about her trip. Krisssy

tinderbox

224 Posts

GO FOR IT!! Skip the RN time and don't look back. PA's aren't required to "do time" why should nurse practioners be required to do such? Also, something I've noticed as I investigated your question among nurses with varying degrees of experience:

The nurses that climbed their way up the hard way always seemed to think many years of experience were needed prior to becoming an NP. It's almost as if they were thinking, "I went through the punishment, and you should too". Luckily, this type of thought is changing, and these nurses who have worked being miserable with their two year degree for 30 years will soon be retiring. I had the unfortunate experience of being under their grumpy preceptorship during most of my BSN clinicals-- YuK! An interesting sidenote to this: most of these nurses were overweight, ate junk food at work all day, compained incessantly yet never did anything about their complaint, and took smoke-breaks whenever they could. This is the antithesis of what NP's stand for: mind/body holistic healthcare. No wonder these nurses never went past two years education.

WOW!! Talk about judgmental and bitter! I am a new grad nurse, very SLIM (not that it matters), healthy, non-smoker, workout--- and I, personally, would never want to go to an NP who had no bedside nursing experience. And my future goal is to possibly go to CRNA school as well, but I believe strongly that my skills learned while working as an RN will be invaluable and important.

Thanks for your time and good day...

spaniel

180 Posts

Krissey- I meant to get back to you. (Yea, I'm an RN with the masters and doctorate in psychology- I know you asked me,and I didn't respond.) Anyway, about your class...I took an MSN course at al local college. While it was a traditional classroom, there were "blackboard" discusssions/ assignments too. My only advice is to stick to the task, and see if there are any stated parameters regarding the number of postings. For example, in the course that I took, the professor designated the minimum number of postings.

I know you've had your heart set on doing well.

krisssy

585 Posts

WOW!! Talk about judgmental and bitter! I am a new grad nurse, very SLIM (not that it matters), healthy, non-smoker, workout--- and I, personally, would never want to go to an NP who had no bedside nursing experience. And my future goal is to possibly go to CRNA school as well, but I believe strongly that my skills learned while working as an RN will be invaluable and important.

Thanks for your time and good day...

It is funny how we don't see ourselves. You are complaining about someone being judgemental. I find your comment judgemental too. Did you know that Rosemarie Porifice, a famous nurse theorist, never did bedside nursing. She got her degrees and went straight to teaching and then to theory. Her theory is used in practice all over the world. Would you not let her teach you her famous theory on Becoming because she never did bedside nursing? There are all kinds of nursing masters degrees and all kinds of nurse practitioners doing all kinds of things from research to theory to education to administration to working alongside a physican and I could go on and on. We have a grand nursing shortage, and there are many new types of schooling and jobs to work on this huge problem we have with the shortage of nurses. There is no room for judgement among us. We need to stick together as a profession. Perhaps some day, someone may say, I don't want a nurse for an anesthesiologist and will, therefore , be judgeing you! I would hope that your fellow nurses would support you and not make comments like, "I would only go to an MD anesthesiologist. You know, the wait to get into nursing school is so long because of lack of educaters? Would you say that All nursing educators had to be bedside nurses first?

Krissy RN BSN MA MHPNP 2 be!!

zenman

1 Article; 2,806 Posts

Did you know that Rosemarie Porifice, a famous nurse theorist, never did bedside nursing. She got her degrees and went straight to teaching and then to theory. Her theory is used in practice all over the world.

How famous is she...never heard of her.

Would you say that All nursing educators had to be bedside nurses first?

Krissy RN BSN MA MHPNP 2 be!!

Yes, I would. An auto mechanic should also have taken apart a few engines before teaching others how to do it!

marylyric

125 Posts

PAs have much more clinical time than NPs, 2,000 hrs plus compared to 600 hrs or so so there is not quite an even comparison.

When I was in the ARMY in 1970,the best officers and leaders were the ones who had the most experience. So who would you want in this life or death situation, a newbie right out of school or someone who had experience under their belt?

If you go straight into NP school WITHOUT any experience, you're just plain dumb no matter how smart you are. You certainly don't have to have 31 years of experience like me, however, consider that I was "learning" along the way. I really don't consider it "punishment" but "educational moments" that others might love to have.

Well, I disagree about all those years experience. Yes; of course it can help you; if you dont get set in your ways, which I feel lots of years in an area will do. I think it erodes some of the benefits of having some experience. I think depending on the person, 1 to 2 years is quite enough of RN experience or even less. I think that going to school gives you fresh ideas and new ways of thinking. The technology and medical field is growing and changing so fast we can barely keep up, New minds are always welcome.

krisssy

585 Posts

How famous is she...never heard of her.

Yes, I would. An auto mechanic should also have taken apart a few engines before teaching others how to do it!

The fact that you never heard of Rosmarie Porifice doesn't not mean she is not a famour nurse theorist. It just means that YOU never heard of her. Since you are a nurse, you should understand and know the theory behind which you practice. Do a search and find out how she was able to teach without having bedside experience.

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