What She Couldn't Tell You

You've all had that patient...the mom with the frequent flyer child, and you want to scream with frustration because she's here again. Maybe she can't tell you why she keeps coming back. Maybe her behavior and lack of eye-contact makes your teeth itch. Did you ever ask? Did you look beyond your own exhaustion and frustration and really see her? How much do any of us really see the people we talk to, sit by, or care for? Nurses Announcements Archive Article

We've all met this type of mom before. It's 2330, her 8 year old daughter is struggling to breathe, and you know for a fact you saw them two weeks ago for the same thing. You also know for a fact you gave her a prescription for an inhaler, a follow-up appointment with a pediatrician for asthma, and got the information for applying for state aid for medical assistance. Yet, there they are, the child anxious and pale, the mother unable to make eye-contact and answering in quiet, short statements.

A little eye-rolling as you walk into the room helps you keep your tongue civil during the H&P. Definitely an asthma attack, the kind you had educated this mom about avoiding and preventing two weeks ago. You sigh in frustration (and a wee bit of anger) without realizing it, but the mother does. She shrinks a little more in the chair, stares at the floor at little harder, and tightens her hand around her daughter's hand. Her behavior sets your teeth on edge, and you hurry out of the room so you don't say anything you think will get yourself in trouble later.

As you head down the hall to let the on-call know that FF#3 is waiting for a neb, you shake your head that just about anyone can have kids nowadays, and wonder at that mom's gall to come in and be so diffident when it is clearly her fault that child is having another attack. You make sure to share your opinion with the nurses at the station. Venting helps.

Meanwhile in that room, a very anxious mother, who is struggling with an Atlas-sized load of guilt, tries to sooth her anxious child while they both wait uncomfortably for the doctor. Mom knows what you think of her. You aren't as unbiased and neutral as you thought. She can't tell you why they are here on a cold snowy night, at least not straight out, and you didn't ask.

She can't tell you that her husband has threatened to kill her and the daughter on numerous occasions if she ever thought about leaving him.

She can't tell you that he broke two ribs and tore out a chunk of her hair the size of a golf-ball when she tried saving up money for the daughter's birthday presents. He needed that money, there was beer to be bought.

She can't tell you that he disabled her car four times in the past two weeks while he was out drinking, and one of those times fell squarely on the day of the child's appointment.

She can't tell you that he routinely takes all of the money out of her purse, and she can barely feed her daughter, let alone get medication for her.

She can't tell you that he's a twice convicted felon, and because he won't leave, and won't let her leave, she can't get federal or state aid, because one of those felonies involved drugs.

She can't tell you these things, because he's out in the car, partially drunk, with a gun hidden under the seat, and if she takes what he thinks is too long, this might be the night he uses it.

So she hides. She does what she can, and tries to keep her daughter and herself alive. She takes all of your judgement and frustration and internalizes it, reinforces her belief that she is a horrible person, a horrible mother, and deserves every little bit of scorn and distaste heaped upon her. She knows all this, and yet she brought the daughter to the ER anyways, knowing that you will still care for the daughter, even if you hate the mother. She trusts in your care, your skill, and your oath to care for the ill. She pays you in nickles, dimes, and her self-esteem.

She might not have been able to tell you, and you didn't ask.

Also the DA provides counseling free for a reason, if you could peak into a women's group run by the DA you'd see women from all walks of life, culture, socio economic status etc. The majority of abusers are psychopaths, please take a look at Robert Hare's psychopath checklist. These psychopaths are expert at seeking out vulnerable 'prey'. They are also expert actors, they have us all fooled, we likely have known one and never realized it. That is all, this thread is old but I couldn't leave it with that display of ignorance representing nursing.

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People please understand that those who are abused are not in the same mentality as a "normal" person. It is easy for all the popcorn snackers to say if you have a child, the child is first or if she stays she's worse because she is raising her child in that environment. This is a person who has been torn apart mentally, emotionally, and physically. To expect them to get out because they have a kid is just being insensitive. They are injured, they are frightened. Is it the right thing for them to do to stay? No, but we cannot blame them. After the abuse and trauma they've been through, it is hard for then to be rational. Heck we have supposed fully rational patients that refuse treatment when we all know they shouldn't.

The child is innocent and deserve better (momma too), but the mother is, for a lack of a better word, sick mentally and emotionally. That trauma got then crippled and we as nurses gotta be the physical therapist that helps them stand back up.

And it irks me that there are some of you who say if she don't ask for help we can't help them. Well I say full of crap. What do you think support is? You guide them, you tell them they don't deserve the abuse, you tell them that there are options, that they can be safe, you provide empathy and patience. You support them. That is called helping, and guess what, you can do all that, even if they don't ask for it. You just be there for them and support them, and hope that they will get better enough to get out.

Definitely. If my husband is drunk in the car with a gun, I sure as heck am not putting my daughter back in with him so he can kill all three of us. The first thing I would do would be say something and get the cops over there. I have no sympathy for people who actively endanger their children and themselves.

I know this post is very old, but this sentiment toward victims of abuse is just as common as it ever was, and is pretty much inexcusable for an educated nurse.

If we took Canigraduate, married her to an abusive man, whom she had a child with, and five years later, she'd be getting in that car with her mouth shut. The very idea of calling the police not once crossing her mind, and if it did, it would be immediately quashed as stupid, dangerous, and more likely to get her killed than being a passenger in the car of her drunk husband. Besides, if they all died, it would be OVER, the pain and despair would finally end.

Being methodically ridiculed, 'corrected', shouted at, raged at, threatened, isolated and shamed BY SOMEONE YOU LOVE will take the most mentally healthy person and turn them into a wreck.

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What if the husband is the COP? When someone finds themselves in a domestic violence situation it is very bad, when the offender is a "trusted" police officer it is even worse. The victim is told over and over that he could kill her at anytime and get away with it, because he knows how to do it without leaving any evidence. Anybody see the movie or read about Drew Peterson?

YEA WHAT IF?

I can tell ya, as I was previously married to one. Some of them COVER EACH OTHERS' collective ass., that's what. (not all cops so don't ding me here).

It never starts out "bad". They are charming and sweet in the beginning, tell you everything your insecure self wants to hear. They find you by radar. They know you come from a screwed up background and take full advantage.

You are like a frog in warming water; it's boiling before you know you are in trouble. AND You are in trouble, deep.

Escape? Not easy when his cop friends find out where you are and "let it slip" to him.

Not easy when he comes by your house and threatens to fire-bomb your car.

Or shoot you with his service revolver or one of the MANY guns in his collection.

When even his commander stands behind him and says what a "great cop" he is. And I am treated like a "crazy" woman.

I know about abuse. Grew up horribly abused by my dad (still have anger toward my mom for allowing it----separate issue).

Escaped only to be in the clutches of a charming psychopath who wooed me off my feet and treated me well -----in the beginning.

This same charmer knew how to hit and choke me just enough not to leave visible marks.

If you have not been there, you don't know how it is, so please quit judging. Maybe you know, maybe you don't, but the time you leave the relationship is the most deadly of all.

Tell ya what: The horrors really started after I left.

Phone calls all hours----changed my number a few times then disconnected the phone to stop the harassment. This was admittedly before caller-ID and cells phones were not common. He blew up my answering machine with very well-veiled threats, knowing just what to say, not to get in trouble or "sound bad". It was the tone of the voice that was so menacing.

Banging on my door, screaming, "go ahead, call the cops!". Having to go stay with friends to feel "safe"

Threats of all kinds, all the time. Written. Verbal. Even approaching my friends in a menacing way.

At work. At home. Day. Night.

It's not as easy as anyone thinks---- "just leave him"

Yea right.

I am lucky. He lost interest--- He was stupid enough to do this to another woman, and finally, he lost his career as a cop. But I knew I had to get away, cause his anger had to be unbelievable at losing his job. His new wife begged me to testify in court to his treatment of me. I just could not handle it. I had to tell her I could not do it.

Yes I feel guilty. But I was in fear for my life.

I did get away. Left the state, found a new life, new home, amazing husband who I don't deserve.

OP: powerful stuff. I relate and appreciate your essay!!! May you be STRONG always.

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And I do not care how old the essay is, it's relevant. So very relevant.

YEA WHAT IF?

I can tell ya, as I was previously married to one. Some of them COVER EACH OTHERS' collective ass., that's what. (not all cops so don't ding me here).

It never starts out "bad". They are charming and sweet in the beginning, tell you everything your insecure self wants to hear. They find you by radar. They know you come from a screwed up background and take full advantage.

You are like a frog in warming water; it's boiling before you know you are in trouble. AND You are in trouble, deep.

Escape? Not easy when his cop friends find out where you are and "let it slip" to him.

Not easy when he comes by your house and threatens to fire-bomb your car.

Or shoot you with his service revolver or one of the MANY guns in his collection.

When even his commander stands behind him and says what a "great cop" he is. And I am treated like a "crazy" woman.

I know about abuse. Grew up horribly abused by my dad (still have anger toward my mom for allowing it----separate issue).

Escaped only to be in the clutches of a charming psychopath who wooed me off my feet and treated me well -----in the beginning.

This same charmer knew how to hit and choke me just enough not to leave visible marks.

If you have not been there, you don't know how it is, so please quit judging. Maybe you know, maybe you don't, but the time you leave the relationship is the most deadly of all.

Tell ya what: The horrors really started after I left.

Phone calls all hours----changed my number a few times then disconnected the phone to stop the harassment. This was admittedly before caller-ID and cells phones were not common. He blew up my answering machine with very well-veiled threats, knowing just what to say, not to get in trouble or "sound bad". It was the tone of the voice that was so menacing.

Banging on my door, screaming, "go ahead, call the cops!". Having to go stay with friends to feel "safe"

Threats of all kinds, all the time. Written. Verbal. Even approaching my friends in a menacing way.

At work. At home. Day. Night.

It's not as easy as anyone thinks---- "just leave him"

Yea right.

I am lucky. He lost interest--- He was stupid enough to do this to another woman, and finally, he lost his career as a cop. But I knew I had to get away, cause his anger had to be unbelievable at losing his job. His new wife begged me to testify in court to his treatment of me. I just could not handle it. I had to tell her I could not do it.

Yes I feel guilty. But I was in fear for my life.

I did get away. Left the state, found a new life, new home, amazing husband who I don't deserve.

OP: powerful stuff. I relate and appreciate your essay!!! May you be STRONG always.

Good grief, what a nightmare :( !! You are lucky to be alive. "Cop-as-abuser" has got to be the worst combination of abuser-mentality (like you said, psychopathic) and civil 'authority' there is.

You are correct; in your post about how relevant this subject his. It is, unfortunately, timeless. And if you haven't directly experienced it and WORKED THROUGH it psychologically, it is very difficult to understand.

The people who speak out like Canigraduate and other did are very common, though perhaps most of them know better than to demonstrate their prejudice so openly. When I shared my abusive marriage story the reactions ranged from open, uninformed (that's a nice way to put it) prejudice to more covert statements like 'well . . . why did you let him DO that to you??'

My conclusion is that most people mean well and it really does baffle them.

But why the victim is put on the hotseat and questioned belies an even deeper and more cruel prejudice that I believe is shared by most people observing the fall out of domestic violence.

Why aren't we, as a society, putting the dam abuser on the hotseat? Why do we demand from the victim 'Why didn't you leave??' Why don't we even VERBALIZE similar demands for explanations from the abuser? Yeah, I know, just never thought of it that way, huh!

I had the same prejudices, and was indeed a nurse for 8 years before I met and married my ex.

THAT is part of why I had no idea I was in an abusive relationship until it was too late to 'just leave'. I wasn't 'that kind of person who puts up with abuse'. I was much stronger than that kind of woman, I was no wimp, I didn't 'enjoy' being controlled or beaten. I didn't NEED a man so bad I would take any old chump off the street. I felt completely immune.

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YEA WHAT IF?

I can tell ya, as I was previously married to one. Some of them COVER EACH OTHERS' collective ass., that's what. (not all cops so don't ding me here).

It never starts out "bad". They are charming and sweet in the beginning, tell you everything your insecure self wants to hear. They find you by radar. They know you come from a screwed up background and take full advantage.

You are like a frog in warming water; it's boiling before you know you are in trouble. AND You are in trouble, deep.

Escape? Not easy when his cop friends find out where you are and "let it slip" to him.

Not easy when he comes by your house and threatens to fire-bomb your car.

Or shoot you with his service revolver or one of the MANY guns in his collection.

When even his commander stands behind him and says what a "great cop" he is. And I am treated like a "crazy" woman.

I know about abuse. Grew up horribly abused by my dad (still have anger toward my mom for allowing it----separate issue).

Escaped only to be in the clutches of a charming psychopath who wooed me off my feet and treated me well -----in the beginning.

This same charmer knew how to hit and choke me just enough not to leave visible marks.

If you have not been there, you don't know how it is, so please quit judging. Maybe you know, maybe you don't, but the time you leave the relationship is the most deadly of all.

Tell ya what: The horrors really started after I left.

Phone calls all hours----changed my number a few times then disconnected the phone to stop the harassment. This was admittedly before caller-ID and cells phones were not common. He blew up my answering machine with very well-veiled threats, knowing just what to say, not to get in trouble or "sound bad". It was the tone of the voice that was so menacing.

Banging on my door, screaming, "go ahead, call the cops!". Having to go stay with friends to feel "safe"

Threats of all kinds, all the time. Written. Verbal. Even approaching my friends in a menacing way.

At work. At home. Day. Night.

It's not as easy as anyone thinks---- "just leave him"

Yea right.

I am lucky. He lost interest--- He was stupid enough to do this to another woman, and finally, he lost his career as a cop. But I knew I had to get away, cause his anger had to be unbelievable at losing his job. His new wife begged me to testify in court to his treatment of me. I just could not handle it. I had to tell her I could not do it.

Yes I feel guilty. But I was in fear for my life.

I did get away. Left the state, found a new life, new home, amazing husband who I don't deserve.

OP: powerful stuff. I relate and appreciate your essay!!! May you be STRONG always.

His! I speak from experience, unfortunately. My second husband was a LEO - he was SO sweet and caring when we dated. We got married and TWO days into our marriage is when mine started. Started out as verbal- but by the time I left and filed for divorce (a whole 11 months) it had escalated to physical. The day I left he slammed my wrist in our front door and fractured it.

After starting divorce proceedings when they tried to serve him at work his dispatch sup radioed him to tell him to stay away from the station. I had to hire a PI to actually "camp out" in his car most of the night and wait for hubby to come outside to get in his truck when he was leaving to go duck hunting.

So many are scared to leave because their abuser tells them they will get worse physical abuse if they try to leave, or that she/he won't be able to survive without the abuser or that no other person would take them - they are lucky that the abuser picked them - no other man would do it because they ...

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