Men not helpful - page 7
Hi guys, There are are male team leaders(only male) at work who do nothing except sitting and talking and joking with staff( but without helping them) as if they are at a cafe. Yesterday... Read More
Feb 27Joined: Jan '17; Posts: 7; Likes: 11I find this post insulting! The you worded it using words such as "they" as you are implying to all men in the profession. As male who has worked in healthcare for 10 years I have seen many good staff and lazy staff (btw women can be lazy too.) If you have a problem with said individual why don't you have a professional conversation with him instead of running and taddling. When that doesn't work then follow your chain of command and usually the lazy one's weed themselves out. As far as men being stronger yes they can be stronger depending on the man, but they shouldn't be expected to do all the lifting. We all have to use proper body mechanics if Physical Therapy says this person is a 2 assist then use 2 people and if they are too difficult to assist with 2 people then let physical therapy know that they need to be reevaluated. Have you ever seen older nurses walking with a limp who had hips, knees, etc. done nursing is hard on your body and we need to take care of it.
Feb 27Occupation: RN & RRT Specialty: critical care, ER,ICU, CVSURG, CCU ; From: TX, US ; Joined: Jan '04; Posts: 2,404; Likes: 4,321On 7th. pg. of this thread and OP,
Has not been back since ask pg 1 or so ? What country are you in?
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Mar 1Joined: Jan '17; Posts: 7; Likes: 11If your referring to me I am from the United States (Ohio) and I am not a troll this post isn't that old and I'm entitled to my opinion it doesn't matter if it's the 7th page when I clicked comment it did not say 7th page.
Mar 1Joined: Jan '17; Posts: 873; Likes: 1,001Quote from BrandonLPN16No - they were referring to the opening poster (their posts are in blue so you can differentiate them), who apparently has created quite a hot topic of convo, but has failed to revisit the thread and contribute much beyond the opening post!If your referring to me I am from the United States (Ohio) and I am not a troll this post isn't that old and I'm entitled to my opinion it doesn't matter if it's the 7th page when I clicked comment it did not say 7th page.
May 10From: Other ; Joined: Sep '15; Posts: 28; Likes: 16Hi all, thanks to all who shared their opinions.
I decided to ignore those male staff who are not helpful. I hate them, but I will never be a hypocrite with them. I respected them when I was ignorant and I thought they were 'good': not every one who talks nicely to you is your friend. I demand actions, they show actions and I will like them again.
In my culture men should help women, especially if she deals with male patients.
I am a Arabic nurse and I was born in Dubai and I work in Dubai.
May 10Joined: Apr '18; Posts: 23; Likes: 31Quote from Sarah2018I would NEVER recommend emailing someone about this issue.Hi guys,
There are are male team leaders(only male) at work who do nothing except sitting and talking and joking with staff( but without helping them) as if they are at a cafe.
Yesterday and today were heavy for me, and the team leader despite being free and roaming around as if he is on a picnic, did not help. If my patients are calling and I am busy, he just tells me that one patient called and I should see what he wanted.
Men are strong and they have bigger lung capacity and they are more powerful than us women yet they refuse to use that physical power.
They don't answer the calling bells from patients or take heavy patients to toilet.
What is the best way to handle the issue?
Should I email the charge nurse regarding the issue or tell them to move(they are senior in position to me btw)?
1. What you see as doing nothing, may not be true. What you saw was a "snapshot" a moment in someone else's day. As you were very busy, doing what nurses do, tending to your patients.
Nor would I recommend saying something, in the heat of the moment, that would jeopardize your relationship with your coworkers.
Consider this, perhaps your frustration was an issue with staffing and nurse/patient ratios.
If you feel this person (note I did not use a gender-specific noun) is not pulling their weight. Think about what you want to achieve. Nurse/patient ratios that are manageable?
Your conversation could go something like, "You know the other day, I had a full patient load and I felt like I couldn't keep up. As a team lead, what is your role on the unit? Maybe we can put our heads together that will impact better care delivery. What do you suggest?"
2. A blanket statement is not helpful, to anyone. Ever. I would steer clear of the suggestion that one demographic is "lazy".
3. As a floor nurse, it is expected that you will be busy on your shift. What is your process for the shift? Do you use a brain sheet to help keep track of everything that needs to be done?
4. If you want to be a change agent, begin by using the appropriate chain of command. The structure should be available to you in the General Employee Handbook, or what ever your institution calls it.
5. If you aren't willing to help fix the problem, then ultimately you are part of the problem. And keep in mind nobody is forcing you to stay on that unit. You are a nurse, and there are several opportunites where you could use your skills more in line with your niche.
May 17Joined: Aug '17; Posts: 94; Likes: 69"Men are strong and they have bigger lung capacity and they are more powerful than us women yet they refuse to use that physical power."
Are you implying that women are weak? -This is so wrong.
I think this whole post needs to be reevaluated.
I do not care if the guy is a professional body builder and lifts dumpsters on his free time- he is not there to serve you.
Men are not mules, we are not to be discriminated against and used as such tools.
I understand asking a team member for help and assistance, but to present such a task as, "male only" is not only wrong on your end, it is also discrimination.
Use a Hoyer Lift or another assistive device; I refuse to be used as a lifting tool just because I am a man.
I am a nurse- not your personal lifting servant.
Jun 19Joined: Oct '16; Posts: 253; Likes: 280Quote from HorseshoeOh, please, not even close.Very well said, and the posts before this one. You have argued your case far better than some on this thread.
Jun 20Joined: Jan '11; Posts: 5,194; Likes: 21,524Quote from Mr_EdwinoSure she did! She always knocks it out of the ballpark.Oh, please, not even close.
Jun 20Joined: Oct '16; Posts: 253; Likes: 280Quote from HorseshoeMeh, didn't address the best arguments. I mean, she said she wouldn't give in no matter what, so there it is.Sure she did! She always knocks it out of the ballpark.