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Not_A_Hat_Person has 10 years experience as a RN.

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Yeah, because "lower-class" people with a past in retail or fast food couldn't possibly be trained as nurses. I, for instance, am Evil Pet Store Girl, who is willing to work for next to nothing just to get into the healthcare field!

You may think I'm invading your profession because I want to make tons of money, or just because the horrible hospitals are finally stooping low enough to hire scum like me. What I think is that I'm fascinated by human physiology and want to use my God-given smarts to work in a profession where my talents can benefit others. That minimum wage job on which I lived hand-to-mouth for eight years got me through school, and now I can unleash my compassion and critical thinking abilities on the world!

Instead of passing judgment on everyone's background or looks, we should recognize this as a case of a (likely) very ill person who seems to have found some benefit in endangering the lives of others. I don't understand how income or past work experience has ANYTHING to do with this case.

I hear you, but I think the thing that is most obvious here is that she was STILL a party girl, who resented work intruding on her life. When we have people in the profession who are ONLY doing it for a job, not because they want to be nurses then they are filled with anger inside that builds and builds. She obviously hated work. Very sad. She was not mentally capable of the maturity required to be a nurse. Many people are not.

When workers are very unhappy and angry they often turn to sabotage of the company. You do see this more in low paid jobs, where they feel "I don't get paid enough to put up with this". It is not limited to low pay, unskilled workers, but is more likely to be seen in them. This is something I studied in a HR class. Eriksoln is making this point, based on reality. I don't think it was meant as an insult or a "class" kind of remark.

Anyway, workers will resort to all sorts of things to get back at the company. Smearing feces on the wall, deleting data, putting bugs in the food, you name it. It makes trouble for the company. She may have been trying to make the hospital look bad, and in her selfish mind did not even consider the patients. I see this as a symptom of a very sick individual. Since she was a party girl and well regarded, it is not as likely that she is a sociopath, but clearly she has little moral capability.

I think we are seeing the results of what Eriksoln suggested and also the ongoing decay of moral society. It is a selfish world today. Selfish to the point where people are losing their ability for empathy and compassion. We are becoming more like animals instead of less. Zero tolerance for anything that is not fun or a direct benefit to self. We see this all the time with road rage- get out of my way, I need to get ahead of you and I don't care if you die in the process. You are no one to me, you are nothing.

I agree the pictures of her are creepy.

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Either we work in very different environments, or the people at my place just haven't had their heads cut off yet. Gee, this is making me rethink having FB at all. lol

Lots of people I know make "YEEESSS, two days away from work" stuff. A few have the "guzzling beer" type pics. And many of them have the facility listed as their place of employment.........which, to my understanding, is how they see that stuff despite privacy filters.

FB is soooo........."yuck" anymore anyway. Just a bunch of crappy social games trying to make you buy stuff.

Not sure where you work but some of the hospitals are having so much time keeping themselves afloat that they don't really have time for policing facebook. And really, should they be? Shouldn't they be focusing on taking care of patients and doing it well? Other professions have a rep for blowing off steam such as paramedics, police, fire dept. Health care is extremely stressful and while I don't condone posting your life on facebook I can see that for some people it is a coping mechanism for a stressful life, just as Allnurses is for me.

I think it is a colossal waste of time and money trying to monitor employees outside of work. Health care dollars are stretched too far as it is. Employers should spend more time monitoring what is going on inside their doors. Maybe it could prevent wackos like her from doing this kind of thing.

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dawngloves works as a NICU RN.

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I think it is a colossal waste of time and money trying to monitor employees outside of work. Health care dollars are stretched too far as it is. Employers should spend more time monitoring what is going on inside their doors. Maybe it could prevent wackos like her from doing this kind of thing.

You assume that is who is doing the policing. Just be careful when you "Friend" co workers.

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eriksoln has 5 years experience and works as a RN.

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You assume that is who is doing the policing. Just be careful when you "Friend" co workers.

Bingo.

On the unit I used to work at, a certain nurse was infamous for stalking people on FB, and if anyone called off or was late or w/e.............she'd be looking to see what you were up to. I almost died laughing when a new employee COMPLAINED ABOUT HER and didn't realize she'd see it (had common people "friended"). The new person basically pointed out how she avoided admits and put them off on other staff. That one somehow didn't end up on the manager's desk:lol2:

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You assume that is who is doing the policing. Just be careful when you "Friend" co workers.

Exactly. HR will very often google your name and check to see if you have a fb prior to making a hiring decision. The monitoring of fb postings and pics comes in when friends or friends of your fb friends report your antics to the employer. IMO fb isn't worth it.

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eriksoln has 5 years experience and works as a RN.

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Exactly. HR will very often google your name and check to see if you have a fb prior to making a hiring decision. The monitoring of fb postings and pics comes in when friends or friends of your fb friends report your antics to the employer. IMO fb isn't worth it.

I'm starting to question it myself. I love posting pics of the kittens and such but........eh, I'm so over it and bored with it.

I mean.......I really don't care that the person driving in front of you is going too slow........nor do I think it's news worthy.

Same goes for: What you bought at the store, how much you drank that night, how much you do/don't want to go to work today, how your vacation is going, what condition your house/apt. are in, what rude thing your friend/child/spouse/co-worker said to you today, what your kid wanted for dinner today, how far along in your book you are, what you think of the latest reality TV program..........................(infinity).

With all these postings on FB and all, is there any reason to get together and hang out anymore? We've already said everything that can be talked about.

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You assume that is who is doing the policing. Just be careful when you "Friend" co workers.

Others have posted that their employer actually hired someone to do this sort of spying on employees. Me- forget it. I don't do facebook. I miss out on some things but I am too private for that sort of thing so I am not in the club.

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GadgetRN71 has 10 years experience and works as a RN.

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I like FB..I've reconnected with old friends and even a relative or two. It's like anything though- it can be abused. I have my privacy settings on the highest one, I don't have my hospital listed on there and I have no current coworkers as friends(just started a new job). I don't mention work on there for the most part- maybe I'll say that I'm tired or that it has been hectic.

As for posting party pictures..I'm not a party fiend, but I'm not going to let my job dictate what I can do in my private life or what I say about it. As long as it's legal and I'm not hurting anyone else, it's none of their damn business.

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eriksoln has 5 years experience and works as a RN.

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I like FB..I've reconnected with old friends and even a relative or two. It's like anything though- it can be abused. I have my privacy settings on the highest one, I don't have my hospital listed on there and I have no current coworkers as friends(just started a new job). I don't mention work on there for the most part- maybe I'll say that I'm tired or that it has been hectic.

As for posting party pictures..I'm not a party fiend, but I'm not going to let my job dictate what I can do in my private life or what I say about it. As long as it's legal and I'm not hurting anyone else, it's none of their damn business.

Yeah, the guy who said people would be fired for the party pictures must live in an "at will" state. What's the problem with it? What harm comes to the facility? What was the reason given for firing someone with such a picture?

I just don't get it. I believe the guy, just don't get his institution's thought process.

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Yeah, the guy who said people would be fired for the party pictures must live in an "at will" state. What's the problem with it? What harm comes to the facility? What was the reason given for firing someone with such a picture?

I just don't get it. I believe the guy, just don't get his institution's thought process.

Um that is every state except Montana according to NCSL (©2011 National Conference of State Legislatures). It is all dependent on the culture of the employer and whether they choose to exercise their iron fist of domination or not.

My employers have recently both gotten more strict and I believe that I would be fired too for posting inappropriate pictures. It would be seen as "reflecting badly" on the employers. But I don't think they actively seek these things out. Not cost effective. The problem is that there are always those other employees who have nothing better to do than to look for ways to make trouble for others. You know the type. They are always looking to point out things about others to keep the watchful eye of the company off themselves.

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Sarah G works as a RN.

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That's awful. No telling whats going on with that chick's head! Scary!

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DoGoodThenGo works as a Entrepreneur - Business Owner.

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I like FB..I've reconnected with old friends and even a relative or two. It's like anything though- it can be abused. I have my privacy settings on the highest one, I don't have my hospital listed on there and I have no current coworkers as friends(just started a new job). I don't mention work on there for the most part- maybe I'll say that I'm tired or that it has been hectic.

As for posting party pictures..I'm not a party fiend, but I'm not going to let my job dictate what I can do in my private life or what I say about it. As long as it's legal and I'm not hurting anyone else, it's none of their damn business.

Well then thank your lucky stars you aren't in school or working pre-1960's or so. At one time many nursing programs and hospitals had restrictions on where one could be seen especially whilst in uniform. Bars and other "low" places were certainly a no-no.

IIRC, some places also required one to sign or otherwise become aware of restrictions of doing *anything* in uniform (and or with school cap) that could potentially damge the reputation of the school/hospital. This could extend to appearing in any sort of advertisement and so forth without proper written clearance.

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