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Not_A_Hat_Person has 10 years experience as a RN.

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dawngloves works as a NICU RN.

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Really?

I've seen the "Facebook got me fired" threads and all, but that seems harsh.

We obviously work in different environments. I have seen co workers, "counseled" for posting about how bad their day was and they really need a drink. Another time it was a nurse posting a picture of herself in a sexy Halloween costume. A public pic of someone drinking heavily yes, would most likely get you fired for unprofessional behavior in my facility.

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dawngloves works as a NICU RN.

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We have 5ml/10ml and 20ml saline vials that are plastic with twist of lids. if a insulin nedle was used and whoever picked up the vial to use it didn'tshake it it wouldnit be obvoius(my coleuages tested this)

we use the 5 and 10ml vials to draw up iv flushes or to make up iv meds from powders.

Been a while since I've done adults, but I remember using one vial for one pt only and dating and initialing the label. It would last maybe one shift.I would guess you'd have to be really sneaky and use the insulin/tb needle to contaminate the vial and leave it open for the next nurse. Then you'd have to forge your initials ( so it can't be traced back to you) and leave the tainted saline for some clueless nurse to give and yes! That is crazy evil!

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DoGoodThenGo works as a Entrepreneur - Business Owner.

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Well something else is going on that is if you trust media reports, as they state police there may be more than one person involved.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/202601/Cops-hunting-two-more-in-saline-probe/

Can you imagine working with tons of LE pouring all over your floor/unit/hospital looking over all and sundry?

Then there is of course the unknown. If there are more persons who are they? Who can you trust?

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eriksoln has 5 years experience and works as a RN.

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We obviously work in different environments. I have seen co workers, "counseled" for posting about how bad their day was and they really need a drink. Another time it was a nurse posting a picture of herself in a sexy Halloween costume. A public pic of someone drinking heavily yes, would most likely get you fired for unprofessional behavior in my facility.

Either we work in very different environments, or the people at my place just haven't had their heads cut off yet. Gee, this is making me rethink having FB at all. lol

Lots of people I know make "YEEESSS, two days away from work" stuff. A few have the "guzzling beer" type pics. And many of them have the facility listed as their place of employment.........which, to my understanding, is how they see that stuff despite privacy filters.

FB is soooo........."yuck" anymore anyway. Just a bunch of crappy social games trying to make you buy stuff.

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DoGoodThenGo works as a Entrepreneur - Business Owner.

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We have 5ml/10ml and 20ml saline vials that are plastic with twist of lids. if a insulin nedle was used and whoever picked up the vial to use it didn'tshake it it wouldnit be obvoius(my coleuages tested this)

we use the 5 and 10ml vials to draw up iv flushes or to make up iv meds from powders.

According to media reports some 38 vials of saline were found to be tampered with, and the criminal complaint states both saline vials and bags were found to contain insulin.

Apparently it was an "experienced" senior nurse who sounded the alarm after noticing an unusually large number of patients on her ward having low blood sugar.

Not speaking to this situation in particular, but all one can say is thank goodness for a nurse who was able to use her education and experience to realise there was a whiff of something about.

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DoGoodThenGo works as a Entrepreneur - Business Owner.

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Either we work in very different environments, or the people at my place just haven't had their heads cut off yet. Gee, this is making me rethink having FB at all. lol

Lots of people I know make "YEEESSS, two days away from work" stuff. A few have the "guzzling beer" type pics. And many of them have the facility listed as their place of employment.........which, to my understanding, is how they see that stuff despite privacy filters.

FB is soooo........."yuck" anymore anyway. Just a bunch of crappy social games trying to make you buy stuff.

Methinks Betty White said it best on her "Saturday Night Live" skit.

".... now that I know what Face Book is it seems a colossal waste of time"

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eriksoln has 5 years experience and works as a RN.

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Methinks Betty White said it best on her "Saturday Night Live" skit.

".... now that I know what Face Book is it seems a colossal waste of time"

Yes. Most definitely.

<_>

>_>

AN is so much more productive:lol2:

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dawngloves works as a NICU RN.

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Either we work in very different environments, or the people at my place just haven't had their heads cut off yet. Gee, this is making me rethink having FB at all. lol

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Good idea. I post nothing about work on FB and don't list my employer or even city I live in. Prospective employers can also look you up on FB and see what you're up too. Those party girl pics on the accused page would go over like a ton of brick with any nurse recruiter.

Oh, and I don't Farmville either. ;)

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Yes. Most definitely.

<_>

>_>

AN is so much more productive:lol2:

You can't even compare allnurses to FB. Facebook is a time suck for party people with NPD. At allnurses the discussion is professional and generally constructive.

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Okay, I stand corrected. I went back and read your original post, and I understand what you mean about the retail philosophy, not the workers themselves. Forgive me for being a bit defensive; not only are some of the folks here judgmental, but I get a lot of attitude (for lack of a better term) from others in healthcare because of my employment past. I tend to be pretty defensive because most don't have any clue about what I actually did, and the amount of hard work and education that it takes to do the job correctly. In fact, much of what I learned about aquariums made the concepts taught in nursing school quite easy!

Anyway, I am posting to apologize to eriksoln. I'm very tired of the ad hominem arguments so prevalent in discussions about these "bad nurse" articles, and apparently, it colored my interpretation of his comments.

BTW, guys, my sister is a total lush (yes, I said it) and she just got employee of the month for her excellent work in the ICU. She doesn't have a bad attitude about her job, but that girl definitely doesn't live like an adult.

I maintain that drinking and carousing until all hours of the night might make you more apt to kill someone out of carelessness, but it doesn't make someone WANT to kill people. There are many hard-partying, irresponsible nurses out there, and many who should probably rein it in a little, but their crazy lifestyles have little to do with the impulses this girl had.

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eriksoln has 5 years experience and works as a RN.

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Oh. I'm like.........beside myself.

:eek:You mean I was right about something?

Like.........seriously................:eek:

<_>

>_>

Eh. I go back to work tomorrow, this feeling will so be gone after a couple hours.

[And the serious part of the post: TY for giving my second post and explanation of what I meant a chance. I didn't want to come off as someone elitist or snotty. No need for an apology.]

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eriksoln has 5 years experience and works as a RN.

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You can't even compare allnurses to FB. Facebook is a time suck for party people with NPD. At allnurses the discussion is professional and generally constructive.

In my defense, I was being sarcastic. I should have written [sarcasm] after that or something.

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