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MY Employer Would NEVER Do That: Nurse wage-fixing settlement

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NRSKarenRN has 40 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in Vents, Telemetry, Home Care, Home infusion.

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in the settlement, two nurses who were plaintiffs received $25,000 each, a small amount considering the case sought to represent a class of about 19,000 nurses that could have exposed the hospitals to nearly $1 billion in damages, according to people involved in the matter. one of the hospitals says it's happy with the outcome.

low settlement puts a damper to other such cases.... all filed by same law firm hoping to strike it rich off off the hospitals

health law alert

december 22, 2006

executive summary

 

in june of this year, class action lawsuits were filed in chicago, memphis, san antonio and albany, new york alleging that hospitals/health systems in each location somehow conspired to hold down nurse wages in their respective locations. according to a press release posted on the service employees international union (seiu) website, the seiu was invited by a washington d.c. law firm to join in announcing the lawsuits earlier this year allegedly because "of the work the nurse alliance of seiu did to help expose wage issues that led [to the lawsuits]."

 

the very same law firm orchestrating the class action suits in chicago,

memphis, san antonio and albany, new york has now filed a similar

class action lawsuit on behalf of nurses in the detroit metro area. the

complaint, filed on december 19, alleges that six detroit area

hospitals/health systems "unlawfully conspired to keep their nurses

wages at artificially low levels

 

 

 

albany hospitals score partial victory:

federal court limits scope of class certification in nurse wage-fixing case

 

summary

 

on july 28, 2008, the united states district court for the northern district of new york issued an opinion on whether the albany case could proceed as a class action lawsuit. class actions are designed to make litigation more efficient by permitting a single or a small number of named plaintiffs to bring claims on behalf of a large number of people. however, class actions are not appropriate where, for example, distinct evidence is necessary to prove the claims of each class member.

in the july 28 opinion, the court held that the albany case is only partially suitable for treatment as a class action. the named plaintiffs sought to represent approximately 2300 persons employed to work as an rn in a hospital in the albany area any time from june 20, 2002 until the present. the complaint alleges that as a result of the hospitals' conspiracy, these persons received lower wages than they would have received in a competitive market.

while the court allowed the case to proceed as a class action on whether the defendants had engaged in an anticompetitive conspiracy, the court did not grant the case class action status on whether the 2300 rns were injured by that alleged conduct or, if so, the amount of damages each rn suffered. the court was persuaded by the hospitals' argument that individual and distinct evidence would be necessary to prove that each class member was injured and the amount of his or her damages.

http://www.bassberry.com/files/publication/22baa983-4aa3-4014-b1d5-036bf38bdab2/presentation/publicationattachment/121e68e7-b598-4600-8e1a-02698f096171/antitrust%20update.pdf

 

seiu march 09 blog: landmark nurse wage class action suit moves forward

 

 

few years ago i asked hr for wage adjustment across the board for my rn staff as felt way below philly market and showed them 2 job ads. could i call competitors to get current salary? answer was no to avoid appearance of wage suppression conspiracy. they did review salaries in comparison to our health system and staff did receive raise. :)

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I know atleast 3 of the hospitals around here pay within 5 cents of each other.

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face it alot of hospitals are ran in such a way that they could very easily be constude as crimminal or atleast not in good faith. i as much as anyone understand the need to stay in the black as far as budget matters are concerned, but there has to be a line that you as a hospital bean counter will not cross. do you treat your employees the way you would expect to be treated yourself, or do you engage in shady closed door deals that promote a atmosphere of resentment and low morale.

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meluhn has 16 years experience and specializes in acute rehab, med surg, LTC, peds, home c.

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Depends on the male job, say while collar vs blue collar. Though at least up north blue

collar workers have unions to represent them.

Generally speaking, men make more than women. It is a proven fact, not my opinion, you can look it up in any sociology book. I am not saying all men make more no matter what type of work they do. I am saying that any profession that is predominantly male makes more than any profession that is predominantly female. Take social workers vs plumbers for example.

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Recently when one of my employers cut their wages they made the statement that other employers were cutting their wages. Either they were just pulling that statement out of their hats, or they had knowledge that was happening. As it happens, I already knew that the statement was true from first and second hand experience. Employers keep track of their competition, whether or not there is behind the scenes collusion. The end result is the same, when wages are lowered by one, eventually the rest will follow suit, and employees are out.

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Let's face it, if they paid us what we deserve, most of us would cut our hours and work part-time to better manage the stress the poor working conditions and staffing ratios place on us. That is the last thing management wants, instead they want to keep us poor and desperate so we'll be ready to jump and come in at the drop of a hat for overtime. They keep wages low be recruiting new grads and nurses from other countries that they can pay less, and discouraging nurse retention because the older nurses cost more.

My biggest pet peeve is the hospital calling me all the time on my days off, even when I'm lucky enough to get a vacation, to come in and work extra. We're short, we need you! Sorry, neither guilt nor money will entice me to put myself through the additional physical and emotional on the job stress that would entail.

One minute the admin is bullying you over missing an education class as if there is no makeup and telling you that you can't work till its taken care of, while staffing is calling the next minute begging you to work. When you ask for unit improvements that would make the job user friendly, even when they would cost no money they always have an excuse why its not feasible. Why that would incovenience the doctors or this would incovenience the supply person! Nevermind the nurse!

I want to sign up for a DO NOT CALL registry for staffing. Do not call me and leave me in peace!

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"Generally speaking, men make more than women. It is a proven fact, not my opinion, you can look it up in any sociology book. I am not saying all men make more no matter what type of work they do. I am saying that any profession that is predominantly male makes more than any profession that is predominantly female. Take social workers vs plumbers for example. "

Is mostly not true, at least in nursing. You can research the facts at http://www.bls.gov/. Men make about the same as women in nursing. In most other professions, men make about the same as women, when you take into account higher education levels, longer time in industry, etc. This myth is more harmful than useful. The reason for wage inequity in the U.S.A. is in fact sexist. Women carry the primary burden of caring for the family. As a result, fewer years in industry, shorter commute distances, etc. If you prefer to believe that you are simply a victim because of your gender, things will never change. Probably, this is not the right thread, I've just heard the ignorance once too often.

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"Generally speaking, men make more than women. It is a proven fact, not my opinion, you can look it up in any sociology book. I am not saying all men make more no matter what type of work they do. I am saying that any profession that is predominantly male makes more than any profession that is predominantly female. Take social workers vs plumbers for example. "

Is mostly not true, at least in nursing. You can research the facts at http://www.bls.gov/. Men make about the same as women in nursing. In most other professions, men make about the same as women, when you take into account higher education levels, longer time in industry, etc. This myth is more harmful than useful. The reason for wage inequity in the U.S.A. is in fact sexist. Women carry the primary burden of caring for the family. As a result, fewer years in industry, shorter commute distances, etc. If you prefer to believe that you are simply a victim because of your gender, things will never change. Probably, this is not the right thread, I've just heard the ignorance once too often.

:no: Sorry but you are dead wrong Your link proved nothing.

You are the one who needs to check your facts. If you go the this website: http://www.census.gov/prod/2009pubs/p60-236.pdf it will have actual facts to back up what I am saying. Page 9 of the document.

I am not feeling sorry for myself, merely stating fact. The fact that you don't believe me when I am telling you something that is common knowledge is just sad.

Here is a direct quote from the US Census website:

Real median earnings of both men

and women who worked full-time,

year-round declined in 2008, following

increases in 2007. Men's

earnings declined by 1.0 percent

to $46,367 and women's declined

by 1.9 percent to $35,745. The

2008 female-to-male earnings

ratio, 0.77, was lower than the

2007 ratio of 0.78

 

 

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:no: Sorry but you are dead wrong Your link proved nothing.

You are the one who needs to check your facts. If you go the this website: http://www.census.gov/prod/2009pubs/p60-236.pdf it will have actual facts to back up what I am saying. Page 9 of the document.

I am not feeling sorry for myself, merely stating fact. The fact that you don't believe me when I am telling you something that is common knowledge is just sad.

Here is a direct quote from the US Census website:

Real median earnings of both men

and women who worked full-time,

year-round declined in 2008, following

increases in 2007. Men's

earnings declined by 1.0 percent

to $46,367 and women's declined

by 1.9 percent to $35,745. The

2008 female-to-male earnings

ratio, 0.77, was lower than the

2007 ratio of 0.78

 

 

 

 

I'm not taking sides here, but let's not forget that reality is often a function of perception.

 

In response, you might wish to consider this tome.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Male-Power-Warren-Farrell/dp/0425181448

 

Incidentally, the author is the ONLY MAN IN THE U.S. to have been elected THREE times to the Board of Directors of the National Organization for Women in New York City. Sorry, but I don't apologize for being born with a penis.

 

I don't use it as a weapon either.

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I'm not taking sides here, but let's not forget that reality is often a function of perception.

In response, you might wish to consider this tome.

http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Male-Power-Warren-Farrell/dp/0425181448

Incidentally, the author is the ONLY MAN IN THE U.S. to have been elected THREE times to the Board of Directors of the National Organization for Women in New York City. Sorry, but I don't apologize for being born with a penis.

I don't use it as a weapon either.

So, your response to my fact is to direct me to read a book dispelling the myth of male power that was written by a man? Hmm. Lets stick to the facts here. I am not attacking anyone or asking anyone to apologise for being male. I love men, I am married to one. I am not a crazy feminist man hater. Men have their struggles in other departments. However, they do have a financial edge when it comes to income. Again, not my opinion, it is a fact that has been written about by sociologists and quantified by statisticians from the begining of time. Why cant you men that are arguing with me just admit that? This is not a disputable concept. I dont hold it against you and I am not feeling sory for myself.

Maybe you are a male nurse in which case, you are basing your opinion on your perspective that you make the same as your mostly female coworkers. My husband (not a nurse) makes 2.5 times what I make and has only a HS education. I have a BSN and will never make the money he makes. In my opinion, that is because he is in a predominantly male industry that is deamed more important than "women's work" like nursing. This is just a conclusion that I came to, which is debatable. The fact that men generally speaking tend to make more than women is not my opinion and can be supported by fact.

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So, your response to my fact is to direct me to read a book dispelling the myth of male power that was written by a man? Hmm. Lets stick to the facts here. I am not attacking anyone or asking anyone to apologise for being male. I love men, I am married to one. I am not a crazy feminist man hater. Men have their struggles in other departments. However, they do have a financial edge when it comes to income. Again, not my opinion, it is a fact that has been written about by sociologists and quantified by statisticians from the begining of time. Why cant you men that are arguing with me just admit that? This is not a disputable concept. I dont hold it against you and I am not feeling sory for myself.

Maybe you are a male nurse in which case, you are basing your opinion on your perspective that you make the same as your mostly female coworkers. My husband (not a nurse) makes 2.5 times what I make and has only a HS education. I have a BSN and will never make the money he makes. In my opinion, that is because he is in a predominantly male industry that is deamed more important than "women's work" like nursing. This is just a conclusion that I came to, which is debatable. The fact that men generally speaking tend to make more than women is not my opinion and can be supported by fact.

K, nice to be a victim. Anyway, I was joking when I said I was trolling. Your education and talent mean nothing. You're just a woman. Forever doomed to work harder and get paid less. Honestly, I believed your position, until I tried to write a paper supporting that position. I had to abandon the idea and instead write about a different woman's issue.

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K, nice to be a victim. Anyway, I was joking when I said I was trolling. Your education and talent mean nothing. You're just a woman. Forever doomed to work harder and get paid less. Honestly, I believed your position, until I tried to write a paper supporting that position. I had to abandon the idea and instead write about a different woman's issue.

Is it nice in your dream world?

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