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  • Jul 21

    I've always been like that to a degree and on one hand, I sometimes yearned to fit in better, and on the other hand I was glad I was not part of any hurt feelings or arguments that often come with workplace "friends". I never got a birthday potluck, that all my coworkers did, until a newer employee realized this. It took 12 years, but hey.

    It was not that I was actively disliked. I was not. I just was not accessible. I was polite, did my work, helped others and was known for being funny as hell, but did I ever ask anyone out for lunch? Nope. Did I ever drop a friendly text? Nope. What I mean is, are you putting yourself out there and taking a chance. My avoidant little self never allowed me to do such a thing, but I'm certain if I had, I would have fared better.

    Is there anything about you that is holding you back? You can't change other people, but maybe reflect what it is you are-- or are not-- bringing to the table.

    I hate hearing about people feeling this way. I hope things improve for you.

  • Jul 20

    Quote from bellini
    Agree. This is mean-spirited and self-righteous. I will wager that every one of us can identify something bone-headed that we have done at some time in our careers.
    We've had plenty of threads where we have shared stupid things we've done or misunderstood or whatever. That's not the point of this thread though.

    Quote from bellini
    That said, if licensed nurses are doing things that are so dangerous,life-threatening and egregious then there is something lacking in training/education/supervision that is allowing such things to happen.
    Sure, it could be something lacking... or maybe the nurse was just having a ding-dong moment? Maybe that nurse is really an idiot? Could be any reason you want. That's still not the point of this thread.


    Quote from bellini
    That is where attention and effort needs to be focused.
    We've also had plenty of serious posts discussing the problems and challenges of training/education and supervision. Again, that's not the point of this thread.

    We're just amusing ourselves here.

  • Jul 18

    Quote from bellini
    Agree. This is mean-spirited and self-righteous. I will wager that every one of us can identify something bone-headed that we have done at some time in our careers.
    We've had plenty of threads where we have shared stupid things we've done or misunderstood or whatever. That's not the point of this thread though.

    Quote from bellini
    That said, if licensed nurses are doing things that are so dangerous,life-threatening and egregious then there is something lacking in training/education/supervision that is allowing such things to happen.
    Sure, it could be something lacking... or maybe the nurse was just having a ding-dong moment? Maybe that nurse is really an idiot? Could be any reason you want. That's still not the point of this thread.


    Quote from bellini
    That is where attention and effort needs to be focused.
    We've also had plenty of serious posts discussing the problems and challenges of training/education and supervision. Again, that's not the point of this thread.

    We're just amusing ourselves here.

  • Jul 18

    Quote from bellini
    Agree. This is mean-spirited and self-righteous. I will wager that every one of us can identify something bone-headed that we have done at some time in our careers.
    We've had plenty of threads where we have shared stupid things we've done or misunderstood or whatever. That's not the point of this thread though.

    Quote from bellini
    That said, if licensed nurses are doing things that are so dangerous,life-threatening and egregious then there is something lacking in training/education/supervision that is allowing such things to happen.
    Sure, it could be something lacking... or maybe the nurse was just having a ding-dong moment? Maybe that nurse is really an idiot? Could be any reason you want. That's still not the point of this thread.


    Quote from bellini
    That is where attention and effort needs to be focused.
    We've also had plenty of serious posts discussing the problems and challenges of training/education and supervision. Again, that's not the point of this thread.

    We're just amusing ourselves here.

  • Jul 17

    Quote from bellini
    Agree. This is mean-spirited and self-righteous. I will wager that every one of us can identify something bone-headed that we have done at some time in our careers.
    We've had plenty of threads where we have shared stupid things we've done or misunderstood or whatever. That's not the point of this thread though.

    Quote from bellini
    That said, if licensed nurses are doing things that are so dangerous,life-threatening and egregious then there is something lacking in training/education/supervision that is allowing such things to happen.
    Sure, it could be something lacking... or maybe the nurse was just having a ding-dong moment? Maybe that nurse is really an idiot? Could be any reason you want. That's still not the point of this thread.


    Quote from bellini
    That is where attention and effort needs to be focused.
    We've also had plenty of serious posts discussing the problems and challenges of training/education and supervision. Again, that's not the point of this thread.

    We're just amusing ourselves here.

  • Jul 16

    Quote from bellini
    Agree. This is mean-spirited and self-righteous. I will wager that every one of us can identify something bone-headed that we have done at some time in our careers.
    We've had plenty of threads where we have shared stupid things we've done or misunderstood or whatever. That's not the point of this thread though.

    Quote from bellini
    That said, if licensed nurses are doing things that are so dangerous,life-threatening and egregious then there is something lacking in training/education/supervision that is allowing such things to happen.
    Sure, it could be something lacking... or maybe the nurse was just having a ding-dong moment? Maybe that nurse is really an idiot? Could be any reason you want. That's still not the point of this thread.


    Quote from bellini
    That is where attention and effort needs to be focused.
    We've also had plenty of serious posts discussing the problems and challenges of training/education and supervision. Again, that's not the point of this thread.

    We're just amusing ourselves here.

  • Jul 16

    Quote from bellini
    Agree. This is mean-spirited and self-righteous. I will wager that every one of us can identify something bone-headed that we have done at some time in our careers.
    We've had plenty of threads where we have shared stupid things we've done or misunderstood or whatever. That's not the point of this thread though.

    Quote from bellini
    That said, if licensed nurses are doing things that are so dangerous,life-threatening and egregious then there is something lacking in training/education/supervision that is allowing such things to happen.
    Sure, it could be something lacking... or maybe the nurse was just having a ding-dong moment? Maybe that nurse is really an idiot? Could be any reason you want. That's still not the point of this thread.


    Quote from bellini
    That is where attention and effort needs to be focused.
    We've also had plenty of serious posts discussing the problems and challenges of training/education and supervision. Again, that's not the point of this thread.

    We're just amusing ourselves here.

  • Jul 16

    Quote from bellini
    Agree. This is mean-spirited and self-righteous. I will wager that every one of us can identify something bone-headed that we have done at some time in our careers.
    We've had plenty of threads where we have shared stupid things we've done or misunderstood or whatever. That's not the point of this thread though.

    Quote from bellini
    That said, if licensed nurses are doing things that are so dangerous,life-threatening and egregious then there is something lacking in training/education/supervision that is allowing such things to happen.
    Sure, it could be something lacking... or maybe the nurse was just having a ding-dong moment? Maybe that nurse is really an idiot? Could be any reason you want. That's still not the point of this thread.


    Quote from bellini
    That is where attention and effort needs to be focused.
    We've also had plenty of serious posts discussing the problems and challenges of training/education and supervision. Again, that's not the point of this thread.

    We're just amusing ourselves here.

  • Jul 14

    Quote from Cry_0527
    Second, the hospital policy says I have the right to refuse a second pull... I Just wanted an answer to if I can refuse a second pull.
    If your hospital has a policy that one can refuse a second pull, then there's your answer. Take the issue up with your manager.

    Every hospital has their own policies. There is no way for us to tell what your policy actually is. We don't know if you misunderstood what the policy actually is, what the stipulations are for refusal, if they were blatantly ignoring their own policy or what the deal even is.

    If, indeed, that is your hospital's policy, that is very unusual. Everyone I know has resisted a pull for one reason or another, but the bottom line is that if they are insistent that you WILL float, then you either sucked it up or dealt with the consequences.

  • Jul 11

    Quote from Texasborn80
    As for not know all medications, the nurses do not either.
    That doesn't make it right... if that's true.

    Everybody looks up meds-- even doctors and pharmacists. Look up your meds. If you want to handle them, then do it responsibly.

    As for "working under" someone's license, the nurse is ultimately responsible in that any issues must be reported to them. They have to handle it. I sure as heck don't want to clean up somebody's mess because they screwed up meds.

    Have you looked through this?

    Licensing Standards for Medication Aides Handbook

  • Jul 10

    Quote from Colaash
    The thing I have difficulty with is my time management. I work the AM shift and find myself finishing up 30 to 45 minutes after I should be off. How does one stay up on brief checks every two hours?!?!? How do you manage to find time to get a shower or two done?!?!
    I used to start my shift by looking over my assignment and prioritizing my duties. Some of this involved knowing the residents and how things will go with them and working around that.

    I also used to run my bootie off with tasks that did not directly involve residents (like making beds, taking out trash, etc.) so I had more time when it came to working hands-on with individual residents without rushing them. I learned to do those non-resident tasks very ridiculously fast but not sloppily.

    If residents are chatty or excessively demanding of time, you need to learn how to gracefully exit. Sometimes you have to be politely firm.

    It takes time to get your groove and experience will provide.

    Quote from Colaash
    I also have some arrogant co workers who, when it comes time for me to give my report to them will always find something negative to say to me from the previous days shift.
    Okay, ignore the way the message is delivered and think back on your work. Is there any truth in the negative comments? Be honest with yourself. If so, work to correct any deficiencies.

    Quote from Colaash
    I try to give my report but this woman keeps bullying me. I know I should tell the DON, but I still am new and dont want to sound like a complainer.
    Can you explain how this woman is bullying you? Also, I wouldn't go to the DON. You are an adult. Try to sort this out as an adult in a professional manner with the coworker. It's hard to say what you should do without context. Is she the one being negative about your work? Make sure your work is, indeed, good before you accuse anyone of bullying. Some people do not know how to handle themselves professionally. She may be one of those people and doesn't know the concept of "constructive criticism".

    On the other hand, some people (especially those with little power) love to feel powerful. Sometimes they do this by putting down others. They like to make you feel stupid because they want to feel smart. They're not necessarily "arrogant" but come across that way because they are actually insecure. Remain calm and don't let them see you sweat because they like that and feed off your discomfort.

    Quote from Colaash
    There is also another CNA who tells me I am not allowed to answer call lights when trays need to be passed out. I went to help a resident get off the toilet and this CNA scolded me for not being there to pass out trays.
    That aide is an absolute idiot. That is someone who cannot think in anything but black and white. There is no nuance. Ever. Common sense be damned.

    Quote from Colaash
    Wouldn't that be neglect? What if the resident falls?
    Yes. You're smarter than that aide by a long shot. There is no way you could justify passing trays over ignoring a call light wherein a resident may need help or leaving a resident on the toilet alone.

    When I was an aide, we were passing our dinner trays. I stopped passing trays to answer a call light that had been going off for too long. I walked in to find a resident slid out of her chair and choking on her seat belt. Anything can be happening and no one is going to die because a tray sat another five or ten minutes... but they might die if we are neglectful.

    Quote from Colaash
    This CNA always answers call lights when passing out trays, yet caught me doing it and told me not to do that.
    Oh, she just didn't want to get stuck passing out the trays without help. You already know she's an idiot. I've changed my mind about saying she thinks in black and white. Sounds more like she's selective in what she says to you in terms of what works best for her!

    Quote from Colaash
    Again, I dont want to sound like a complainer but I also don't want a resident to fall in the bathroom when they were assigned to me. How should I deal with these arrogant CNAs and how do I manage my time? I am so slow right now and have been trying to please everyone. I need some advise!!!!
    Change the word "arrogant" to "ignorant", "unprofessional" and "insecure". I've been down that road. I handled it by ignoring those types of CNAs and doubling down and making sure my work was flawless. I gave them zero room to complain. It ended up benefiting me and my residents. It took a little while, but I became an excellent aide and left those jerks in the dust.

    You keep putting the safety of your residents first! You may be slow for now, but you'll get it. Keep trudging along and good luck to you.

  • Jul 9

    Just Google "Hoyer lift death":


    98-Year-Old's Drop from Hoyer Lift Results in Six-Figure Settlement of Berks County, Pennsylvania Nursing Home Case Against Large Nationwide Nursing Home Chain

    Nursing home negligence - Negligent use of Hoyer lift - Jury Verdicts

    Failure to follow care plan requiring assistance of two with Hoyer lift results in severe injuries and death for resident and indictment for CNAs for felony manslaughter and cover-up | Sholes & Miller LLP

    Hoyer Lift Accidents and Nursing Home Falls | The Law Offices of Barry G. Doyle, P.C.

    There's a lot more out there on the web.
    You need at least two staff because it is very difficult to maneuver the lift and spot any potential problems a the same time.
    There have been times where we have been working the lift and the lifting partner says something like, "Whoa! Lower 'em back down! It's not hooked on all the way!" or the partner needs to adjust the position of the chair or whatever.
    If you can't find help, then I guess that patient isn't going anywhere until you get it.
    It's not worth it.
    It's not about getting done on time and it's not about anyone's Super Aide skills... it's about transferring the patient safely.

  • Jun 30

    Quote from kmartin906
    she was assigning me patients that were very complicated...where as other students in my class were getting easy patients.
    you want the hard ones. really, you do. don't question the motive... embrace it. you will learn so much more with a complicated pt because you will be all the more driven to understand (or hopefully be driven to understand so as you do not kill your pt ).

    Quote from kmartin906
    whenever i was assigned a complicated patient my teacher would basically spend the entire clinical period breathing down my neck essentially and harassing me.
    you are working with a complicated pt. i would expect the instructor to be more involved in this case.

    Quote from kmartin906
    i was always taught that as long as you got things done in time, and done correctly it didn't matter how you did them - as long as your patient's safety was not jeaporized in any way.
    sometimes i prefer to do things a little differently, i just do them the way i feel comfortable.
    in the real world, you can do things the way you want (pt safety still being maintained). you are not in the real world yet. you are still a student and still expected to follow the book to a tee. it's not about your comfort. it's about doing what you have to do to survive. it's about survival.

    Quote from kmartin906
    well, yesterday was awful. i felt like she was continuously drilling me, and singling me out for no reason. even my other classmates noticed it and were approaching me on it. she did not make it private, in fact she pulled me off to the side - basically in front of my entire class and went up one side of me and down the other for everyone to hear.
    there is no defense for this. this is completely unprofessional. it is humiliating for you and humiliating for anyone else around.

    Quote from kmartin906
    she told me that she could tell i was not experienced in the medical field and i had better get myself a pct job over the summer so i can re-learn all of the basic skills that i don't know how to do. i must know how to do them if i passed last semester, right??? she also told me that i will probably never make it as a nurse ... and a lot of other hurtful things.
    do it by the book. always.

    Quote from kmartin906
    i tried so heard to not cry, but it was just inevitible.
    never cry in front of your instructor... especially one like this. don't feed the beast. keep your cool. be humble, nod your head and tell her what you will do to improve... but don't you dare cry. she wants "tough"? show her.

    Quote from kmartin906
    i'm under so much stress with school and trying to get good grades and putting in so much effort that for someone to tell me that i'm never going to make it and never be a good nurse has got my down in the dumps.
    take this negative energy and turn it positive: prove her wrong. don't get depressed... get mad. get mad and direct that energy to proving her wrong.

    Quote from kmartin906
    this has been my life long dream... and now i'm questioning it. i'm starting to think maybe she's right. sometimes i get too flustered and it's a weakness that is going to essentially make me a bad nurse.
    of course, you are going to be flustered. nursing is serious business. as time goes on, you should gain some control over it. you have to keep going back and taking the punches, but it's the only way to overcome any obstacle. it's a weakness now.

    Quote from kmartin906
    all i can do is stew over this now, because really i had no chance to prove anything to her when she was saying this to me. it was my last clinical rotation with her, and now she has to evaluate me and i'm afraid she's not going to pass me because of this. if she doesn't pass me, i don't know what i'll do.
    if you passed, then obviously you were the victim of some nasty scare tactics. if you failed (that being a clinical fail, which usually means you're out of the program) well... you will cross that bridge when you get to it.

    Quote from kmartin906
    can anyone relate to something similar to this???
    absolutely.

    Quote from kmartin906
    what the heck do i do???
    this>>>> "everyone tells me to just let this all go and stop worrying."

    Quote from kmartin906
    i'm obviously doing something right and that she just doesn't like me
    i disagree with this. it is usually nothing personal. we're not in grade school. this isn't about "liking" or "not liking". i think the issue is, you were not performing in a manner your instructor approved. unfortunately, your instructor does not seem to know how to correct and teach a student in a professional manner. i'm betting (dollars to doughnuts) she was subjected to the same sort of treatment herself, at one time. she may really think this is how it's done... that she has to be tough and intimidating to be effective.... that the lesson won't stick unless you are "shamed".... that you will never make the same mistake again, to avoid that shame.

    Quote from kmartin906
    ... but i'm really doubting myself and my self esteem is just down in the dumps.
    we have all done this. don't let others own your self-esteem.

    been there, done that.
    best wishes.

  • Jun 26

    I'm with those who say make the sacrifice now.
    Get nursing school over with ASAP.
    You will be in a more stable position when you are done.

    I had only gotten my acceptance letter into nursing school when my husband told me he wanted a divorce.
    We (or I) tried to fix things, but when I found out he (and his gal pal) was just pretending and only waiting for me to finish school so he wouldn't look like a heel, leaving me with a low paying job... I was done... with him.
    I sacrificed being able to have full custody of my children. The lawyers said I could not have it, as long as I was in school, due to "the unpredictable nature" of my schedule.
    I was furious and almost quit then... but where would I be later?
    Still making CNA pay.
    I made that sacrifice and trudged on.
    I have the disgrace of being a mom without full custody. I feel like when people hear that they think I was a bad mom. It hurts.
    I couldn't even get residential.
    I had to do it and my kids (13 and 11) understand what I am trying to do and they are my babies regardless and I love them dearly.
    I also had to sacrifice my status at work to fully concentrate on school... so no more tuition reimbursement and no insurance.
    I just keep my eye on the prize.
    We have also just found out my ex has stage 3 colon cancer... what if chemo doesn't work? What if I have to fully care for my kids without another parent?
    You have to think about the future and be ready for it.
    You never know what it brings.

  • Jun 16

    It takes a lot more to lose a license than you'll be led to believe.

    Diversion is a biggie. Outside of nursing itself, we had a nurse who murdered her own children. If you aren't doing anything like that, you should be okay!


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