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Folks, I need some advice. A little back ground. I am a forty-two year old, husband and father of two that has been employed as a sales engineer for the past 20 years. Several life experiences,... Read More

  1. by   November
    Quote from tamar2007
    dear friends,

    I identified with both of your letters so much, and just wanted to encourage you, because I know what it's like and how crazy things get.
    Keep your eyes on your end goal, and fire up your motivation all the time with little rewards, and forums like this one. The obstacles along the way are not as bad as they might seem now, when things are on rough waters on the brink of a major change.
    I will be 40 in May, and left a rewarding career in advertising (after MBA marketing and BA in psych and consumer behavior) to study nursing. I have been studying and studying for 2 years now.......and because that's around what it takes the normal person to finish all the prereqs, I'm not even IN nursing school yet. But I couldn't go on in advertising any longer, because I realized how superficial and deceitful this whole field is, not to mention the stressful rat race in the corporate world that was difficult for me to deal with as a sensitive and sincere person. Not everyone can play that ruthless game, and I didn't even want to try.
    I think these career changes at this time have a lot to do with age and certain radical changes that happen around this time in both men and women's life. They used to call it a 'mid-life crisis', but realized it is not a crisis for everyone, and now it's just a plain old 'mid-life change'. But that hides a lot thats' going on - a lot of thinking, perspective changes, sudden insights, sudden understandings about life.....
    I feel these are the years when one asks himself really and truely - are you doing what you want in life? what is my purpose in life? Am I happy, is this where I want to be? and, am I making a difference in someone's life? Am I giving to people, or taking?
    Many people didnt understand my move, and I believe you both have had people that didn't understand your's either. Isn't it the American dream, to be a lawyer? The money, the power, the social prestige, L.A LAW??
    I know, and to a lesser degree, people see the advertising execs world too as all glamour glitz and money, rubbing shoulders with TV stars on location premiere cocktails, sitting in major hush hush strategymeetings that will "change the way people think" (!!). no less.

    so good luck to us all, in 2 years we will all be terrific nurses I am sure.

    Tamar
    Thanks for your kind post. This board and the people who post are wonderful - encouraging - supportive.
  2. by   ABC'S DAD
    Quote from November
    Thanks for your kind post. This board and the people who post are wonderful - encouraging - supportive.
    I agree. Thanks to you both. I have just mailed in applications to 2 different community college ASN programs. So, now it begins.
  3. by   tamar2007
    Quote from abc's dad
    i agree. thanks to you both. i have just mailed in applications to 2 different community college asn programs. so, now it begins.
    wishing you the best of luck with those - keep us posted
  4. by   Silverhawk
    I strongly suggest you job shadow in several different areas for a full shift following a particular nurse around all day, so you see everything involved before you make such a commitment.
  5. by   vcannon
    As if men don't go into our nursing forums! She was only trying to give you some good advise. Get over yourself!

    Quote from piper_for_hire
    Wait - you're a mom?? This is the Male Nursing Student forum!! I had this same problem with our tree house in my back yard growing up. :P

    -S
  6. by   piper_for_hire
    Um ... I was kidding. You know, the little smiley face thing with the tongue sticking out. :P We need a sense of humor STAT!

    -S
  7. by   mingez
    Quote from vcannon
    As if men don't go into our nursing forums! She was only trying to give you some good advise. Get over yourself!
    Clearly he was joking.



    Anyway, I too am looking at a career change. I'm still on the fence between Nursing and Radiologic Technologist. My end goal is to go into Radiation Therapy, and both allow for a pathway to that. (at least the school I'm planning on attending)

    I am currently in Retail, I'm the GM of a furniture store, and depending on business, make 70 to 90K. The money is good, but money isn't everything. It's so unsatisfying, and people look at you as if you are a sleaze ball because of the reputation the industry as a whole has. Plus, what and who do you actually help or contribute to? I, by nature am a compassionate and caring individual. (atleast I've been told) But I HAVE to get out of retail, because it's
    making me bitter towards the world at large. I have a need to get out there and "make a difference."

    Most of my friends and family think I'm being a hopeless romantic about the whole thing, but you need to be in a career that is the best fit for you...so ignore all of the negative feeback and keep on keeping on. I'm prepared for all of the "nay sayers" be they family, friends, or current nurses themselves.

    And then, as a male, there is the whole "Gaylord Focker" mystique....don't get me started on that.

    I'm 32 BTW, however, my path is a bit easier than yours due to my being single. But I too am nervous, and wonder if I have lost my marbles.

    Good luck to all!
  8. by   ABC'S DAD
    Quote from mingez
    Clearly he was joking.



    Anyway, I too am looking at a career change. I'm still on the fence between Nursing and Radiologic Technologist. My end goal is to go into Radiation Therapy, and both allow for a pathway to that. (at least the school I'm planning on attending)

    I am currently in Retail, I'm the GM of a furniture store, and depending on business, make 70 to 90K. The money is good, but money isn't everything. It's so unsatisfying, and people look at you as if you are a sleaze ball because of the reputation the industry as a whole has. Plus, what and who do you actually help or contribute to? I, by nature am a compassionate and caring individual. (atleast I've been told) But I HAVE to get out of retail, because it's
    making me bitter towards the world at large. I have a need to get out there and "make a difference."

    Most of my friends and family think I'm being a hopeless romantic about the whole thing, but you need to be in a career that is the best fit for you...so ignore all of the negative feeback and keep on keeping on. I'm prepared for all of the "nay sayers" be they family, friends, or current nurses themselves.

    And then, as a male, there is the whole "Gaylord Focker" mystique....don't get me started on that.

    I'm 32 BTW, however, my path is a bit easier than yours due to my being single. But I too am nervous, and wonder if I have lost my marbles.

    Good luck to all!
    Good luck, mingez. I know lots of lawyers like myself, except that they are so wrapped up in making $ that they are sacrificing family and friends, and carrying the stress of their jobs around almost 24/7. I am afraid that these people will look back on their lives, some day, and wonder why. Hey, I would like to make lots of money, too, but that is too high a price. There is nothing more important than my family. That is why I left the big city, and took a pay cut to work near my home at a small firm in the burbs. But the job itself has become unsatisfying, and there is still too much stress and animosity. I am sure that nursing has its ups and downs, like anything else, but if you look at it objectively, for what it stands for, it is pretty darn noble if you ask me. My wife is an LPN, and she works hard. But it makes her feel good to make others feel better. And there is opportunity for decent money for RN's -- at least where I am from -- the Philadelphia/suburbs. Radiologic technologist pays less around here. Anyway, do what feels right.
  9. by   max6well
    I also thought about rad tech becuase it seemed like a quicker entry into health care, but for me it felt like i would be limited in patient care and any decision making, so i chose entry level np program. I think nursing will allow you alot more opportunities but thats just my opinion.
  10. by   shodobe
    After reading so many of the posts here I think some have lost the whole point of nursing school. Some think that having your BSN equals much higher pay than an ASN or even Diploma. Wrong! Also I think I am hearing between the lines that getting into a ADN program is even harder than a BSN program. It seems to be true because throughtout the whole Forum site it seems that this is the case. It is hard to give advice on what direction to go, ADN vs BSN, because I see no difference. I have been out of school for 29 years and really can't remember much about, so to speak of. It was hard in some areas and very easy in others. I did my whole nursing experience in 2 years, includind ALL pre-reqs and nursing classes. I was in the very first graduating class for the school, so we were an experiment and had to do well for the rep of the college. My only advice would be to go were ever you can get into a nursing program, ADN or BSN, the easiest. Get out there in the working world, get some experience under your belt, get a feel for nursing in general and if you went the ADN way there are a multitude of on-line, post grad BSN programs you can take. Also, your employer will pick up the tab for most classes. Most people want instant gradification, "I want my BSN and I want it NOW!" Some people are also being given the impression that having a BSN will be the entry level for nursing eventually. I agree, it will eventually but not in my life-time. So if being a nurse is your real goal don't waste time holding out for a BSN program that has a witing list 2 years long! Get into something that will payoff quicker. By the way, I have a ADN degree and really don't plan on getting my BSN, why? I already make more than twice what the MAJORITY of BSN grads make now and only have about 10 yrs more to work full-time, so I don't see the point. Also you guys thinking about rad tech school, please go the whole route and don't settle for a "limited tech cert", they are as useful as t*ts on a boar! Good luck to everybody because we need everyone of you. Mike
  11. by   Havin' A Party!
    Quote from ABC'S DAD
    ... it also stinks that my prior BA + ADN would not = BSN. What's the (practical)difference?...
    Think the prior advice you were given is dead wrong. Believe you should be able to argue convincingly to a unit or HR manager that a BA and a law degree are way more than a BSN. That degree is basically a nursing ADN with additional humanities and other enhancer courses.

    Suggest you get all the pre-req's (A & P, Micro, etc.) out of the way while still employed and waiting for admission to nursing school. You'll likely be able to waive out of many non-nursing courses.

    Good luck!
  12. by   fotografe
    Quote from ABC'S DAD
    Actually, I am trying to figure a way to keep working as a lawyer while taking the prereqs, then getting into a 15-month acclerated BSN program. .
    I took all my pre-reqs, including sciences with lab online. Makes it a heck of a lot easier to get them done and still work. The cost is quite reasonable too. I took them through both www.iowacconline.com and www.ccconline.org

    All the schools in MA that I applied to accepted them. Check it out with the schools you are considering.

    CCConline the labs are more hands on. I took micro though COlorado. The lab is very hands on and time intensive and if they fix all the errors in the lab manual it will be quite great. I highly recommend the instructor, Kathy Allshouse. The Chem at Iowa is a virtual lab that is pretty cool along with a few simple hands on experiments at home.

    Hope this helps and good luck, ( sorry, this is a girl butting in on the boys club too):smackingf
  13. by   vortex72
    Quote from Browndog
    Folks, I need some advice.

    A little back ground. I am a forty-two year old, husband and father of two that has been employed as a sales engineer for the past 20 years. Several life experiences, including an exposure to flight nursing via my service as a first responder and volunteer firefighter, have led me to the conviction that my calling is to serve others as a nurse. I am close to completing my pre-requisites for nursing school and have been accepted to a local accelerated BSN program (16 months) which begins this fall.

    I am posting on this forum because I need input from all of the other (please tell me there are other) "older" dads out there who are pursuing a mid-life change into nursing while having to support a family. Specifically:

    * How are you financing your career change?
    * How much is this costing you (tuition and living expenses while in school)?
    * How much of a pay cut are you taking to pursue this calling?
    * Have I lost my ever-loving mind?

    I am sincerely looking for input as I am currently riding the roller coaster of excitement for finally finding my calling and the feelings of quilt/fear for what this may mean financially to the family that I love. Some input to consider as I seek your advice:

    1) The BSN program that I am pursuing will cost over $30K and I expect to spend another $45K in basic living expenses for the family. (There are no local public school programs that offer an accelerated format and time is money with a family of four.)
    2) My current income is approximately $90K.
    3) Upon completion of my BSN, my goal is to immediately enroll in an ACNP program while working at night at a local Level 1 Trauma Center. I would ultimately like to work as a Nurse Practitioner in an ER with a PRN position with a flight program.
    4) My wife supports me on this 100%. She is great.

    Am I crazy for giving up so much financially to pursue this goal. Will this financial sacrifice be forever or can I expect to get reasonably close eventually. Has anyone else done this? Should I "punt" and resign myself to an empty (but profitable) career?

    Sorry for the long post. I really need to get all of this out. Thanks for the sounding board.

    Browndog
    If your concern is mainly income, then dont be concerned. You can make great money as an RN, and even better money as an ACNP if you are good at what you do, pick the right specialty, shift and place of work. I know an ACNP that rounds for a Cardiologist. He makes 220k/year! He is the exception to the rule but here in TN you can make 60-80k entry level as an ACNP and thats days only with no overtime. I will make 100k this year as a regular RN doing acute dialysis. However, I work a lot of overtime and take call. RN's that work odd shift like weekenders that do overtime during the week can easily make 100k. I know many that actually have taken a pay cut to go back for their nurse practioner since a green practioner usually only gets around 60k. However, once you've been in a practice awhile and earn your stripes, the pay can go up dramatically like the one working with the cardiologist.

    Hope this info helps, good luck!

    PS: I'm a guy and just to let you know nursing has a lot of shortfalls just like any other career. The grass may look greener on the other side but thats just cuz there is ******** being used as fertilizer! What I'm trying to say is think hard before you change because everything has its ups and downs. Ironically, I know a lawyer who works as an RN but its because he never could make that much as a lawyer and working as an RN was a guranteed income for his family.
    Last edit by vortex72 on Apr 27, '05

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