In may of 2006 I graduated with my Bachelor of Science in Nursing degree (registered nurse) from Ontario, Canada. I had travelled with my girlfriend to Brisbane for the month to visit her Mother. I've been itching to go back and work for a year, possibly two, but would like some further assistance. I've searched the forums and tried to complete as my as my own due diliegence as possible, but I still need help as alot of information found was contradictory.
For this move, I would be staying with family in Brisbane. The hospital, whether it is private or public will have to be around there.
1) Obtaining Visa
Although I can get a working VISA, I was thinking of trying to get a permanent visa instead so that I can have dual citizenship between Canada and Oz. How long will either take?
I was reading and some members have said they have received their visa in 3 months immediately after going to OZ and getting a job. They recevied it so quickly because the hospital they worked for completed all the work. As for permanent residency, I've heard 3-5 years. On various websites, I heard it can be as little as 6 months.
So what factors are their to consider regarding both?
1) Pay Scale-
How will I be payed according to my level of work experience? I will not be moving for at least 1 year (till Jan of 2008). That would mean I would have 1 1/2 years of nursing under my belt by that time, primarily on a medical floor and partially Emergency. I'm aware that in OZ you are payed according to levels. How would I fit in? How can I obtain higher pay while practising in Ontario?
I've found a QLSD website that illustrates what can be expected. Is the information correct? http://www.health.qld.gov.au/nursing/salary.asp
starting level is $44,384
If you work shift work, on top of your base rate of pay, you receive the following shift allowances:
12.5 per cent for afternoon shifts
20 per cent for night shifts
50 per cent for Saturdays
75 per cent for Sundays
150 per cent for special Public Holidays - Easter Saturday, Labor Day and
I remember hearing the news just after I came back from Oz that QLSD just received a 25% increase in pay for Nurses. Can anyone elaborate on how this pay affects public/private hosptials and nursing in general? Does that mean the starting salary is quite more than 45k/year?
3)Where to work?
Because I have 1 year to do my research, I would like to know which area to work for, public or private? or should I even consider a nursing agency for this?
From what i've read, anyone seems practical. Nurses have went to OZ and after applying for jobs when they've only been there for 2 days have received calls back immediately. My debate is which area to work in public/private?. Pay is a partial influential factor, however, if one area only pays 5k more than another and the working conditions are horrible, i'd rather keep my sanitity and lose the 5k for something more enjoyable.
What's the typical pt:nurse ratio?
I've been told many times nurses are unvalued (same her in Canada) and the rate of pay does not justify their work at all. How often are you working short? Is there alot of Overtime offered? How long are the shifts? 8 or 12 hours? Any information about the hospital and health care would be great.
Say I obtain a full-time job. How many years does it take the pension to be vested? So if I decide to come back to Canada, I know that my contributions, along with the hosptial will be given to me and I can invest them on my own. I'm not sure how the pension system works in Oz (particularly brisbane), but in Ontario, Canada, it takes 2 years of full-time work to be 'vested', meaning, the hospital will give their portion of their contribution only at the 2 year mark to you, if you leave before hand, you only receive your contributions.
4) Health Care
Would I need to pay for health care out of my own pocket (health insurance), or can I still be eligible for coverage even though I would be on a working visa? or do i need to be a permanent resident?
This website sums it up. It looks as if being a foreign worker is quite heavily taxed.
If you are a non-resident for the full year, the following rates apply:
Tax rates 2005-06
Tax on this income
$0 - $21,600
29c for each $1
$21,601 - $63,000
$6,264 plus 30c for each $1 over $21,600
$63,001 - $95,000
$18,684 plus 42c for each $1 over $63,000
$32,124 plus 47c for each $1 over $95,000
This is why I would like to obtain permanent residency sooner rather than latter (taxes are bad!)
Thanks for any help!
Feb 5, '07
No better place actually
MUCH easier to go for the temporary work visa and then apply for permanent residency. I am unsure about permanent residency but I know that if you intend to immigrate then for some reason there is an extra layer of beaurocracy called the ANMC that you have to go through to be registered.
- For some reason, can work be one of them? I'd like to get permanent residency, then possible be able to upgrade my education at a cheaper rate than international student.
As you have a degree you will start at level 1 year 2 PLUS whatever number of years full time equivalent you can demonstrate you have. (unless you want to apply for a level 2 job - not much more pay but LOTS more work
- By lots of work, can you describe the difference? Lots more work does not scare me, it actually makes me want to work harder and enhance my knowledge, along with possibily improving my position to management etc.. My main goal in the health care field is to teach, or become involved with management or administration work. How is the pay when one achieves this?
Shift work is what makes the real difference in pay rates but yes we did get a pay rise + a couple of special "education bonuses" BUT I warn you the last were only for PERMANENT residents and some of our people who are on temporary visa's missed out
- Was this bonus a one time deal? or was the overpay increased by 25%? Have the current pay scale changed? Just because someone had a temporary visa doesn't mean they should be left out... they are still work as a nurse, no?
If you are from Canada you are more likely to feel at home in the public system I think. Pm me where you are going to live if you want and I will give you some inside info as to best hospitals.
- I'd be living in the Karalee area. Please PM with any information that would be most beneficial! (thank you!)
Some hospitals just throw nurses at patients regardless of acuity, some use a system such as trendcare to establish fair ratios to match acuity, some use Trendcare and ignore the proposed staffing numbers because "The computer always overestimates" and sometimes "there jist ain't no more nurses out there to be hired"
- We don't have that type of system here, but if we're short, we work short. So our usual nurseatient ratio is 5:1. At nights it can be 6:1. This is on a medical floor. What about in Oz?
I think the equivalent system here is called "Superannuation" and you cannot claim until you retire (although you can access funds in the case of major disability). Unsure of how it would work for someone overseas. Public hospitals use Q Super http://www.qsuper.qld.gov.au/
best to go to the source for the answers
- So if I decide to leave after 2 years, I won't get any reimbursement from the hospital, be it private or public? I'll definitely have to look into this.
We SHOULD have a reciprocal agreement with Canada for free care in public hospitals - but you will DEFINITELY have to check this out for yourself. Americans living here tell me that they pay less for full cover here than they do in the states.
- I thought because of the monarchy that Canada and Oz have, health care is free? You still have to pay for your own coverage? How much per month can I expect to pay? and what does this typically include?
I have NO idea but most of our taxes are PAYE in that the tax is taken out by the employer prior to you getting your money. Probably best to ask your prospective employer or the tax department.[/QUOTE]
- I've heard the taxing system is quite different. From my view, their seems to be alot of 'loop holes' where the employer can tax less or more at their will. This is from talking with various individuals while in Oz. Some say they have their car or house being paid for by the employer and so the companies finance department takes this into account and can place them into a lower tax bracket. I have no idea how tho. I need contacts for this
Thanks again for everything.
Hopefully I can obtain as much information as possible to make the transition smooth. I wonder if this coming into Canada from another Country has so many issues to consider. From my experience, alot of nurses that come here have said it's been great transition.
Last edit by X-treme on Feb 5, '07
Feb 6, '07
do the new nurses get sign up bonus in australia like most of the hospitals here in the U.S. And what is the best public hospital in brisbane?
ur replies would greatly appreciated. TNX!
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