Please be very careful - page 2

have just heard that there are a few very unscrupulous people from the us over in the philippines right now recruiting and they are focusing on those that took the exam in june and offering to bring... Read More

  1. by   suzanne4
    Quote from BurstPurse
    I also heard a different approach of recruitment for US. They are offering medical trainings as a way of entering the US. Applicant will enter the US with a tourist visa. Once in there, they will start job hunting right after the training. The recruiter has some connections to different home cares for a sure low pay job. Nursing Aide job for those who are not NCLEX passer and RN works for those NCLEX passer. The nursing care (employer) is willing to petition but there are some terms and conditions.

    This is just an information that I got from a friend who has a relative that tried this kind of recruitment. His relative is now waiting for the result of his immigration, but he already have his working permit.

    Don't know how it goes.
    This is actually illegal and in violation of US immigration law. It is illegal to come to the US with the idea of staying, especially when on a tourist visa. If they are really and truly offering training, then the entry should be with a student visa. And since it is not, a red flag should go up.

    It is also extremely hard to get a tourist visa currently if you are from the Philippines.
  2. by   suzanne4
    Quote from icing
    I guess its ok to take your NCLEX when you get there if, and ONLY if, you have been directly hired by the institution/hospital you intend to work in and they promise to take you under their wing as a trainee... but you have to pass the NCLEX in a given time period... A RECRUITMENT AGENCY CANNOT GIVE YOU THAT GOOD A DEAL..... Also you can't get this opportunity wihtout at least 2 years of hospital experience as a registered nurse...
    Sorry, but incorrect. There are hospitals that will employ you as a direct hire, without experience in the Philippines. But you will have an extremely hard toime to find one when you have not taken and passed the NCLEX exam. That is what is almost impossilbe to do. Most will not want to take a chance that you will pass the exam........they want proof first.
  3. by   suzanne4
    Quote from ancella marie
    you're right suzanne - do not sign anything that will promise you that you will just get your nclex here - because in this way anything can happen to you when you're here. i have heard of instances when they were forced to work not as an rn because they were not allowed to take the exam for a certain period of time, and worse they were obliged to work under terrible circumstances and below the minimum wage - working for 6 days, and travelling for 2 hours going to the nursing home and another 2 hours going back home.
    be very careful in choosing people that will bring you over to this place. do your own research about nurses that they have sent here. what was the situration like when they came. were there people who stayed to be with them the first few days, just to find their way around the place.
    i wish nurses who plan to work here in the united states would take the legal way of doing things - it may take more time but doing it right from the very beginning will prove to very rewarding in the long run. goodluck to everyone who's working on their dream :wink2:
    you are so very correct. thanks for sharing.
  4. by   ninamik
    please be careful of (agency in phils) both office is at enterprise before but transfer already , still in makati somewhere in buendia ave. they have the same office.

    lot of promises like 1 month free housing. free ielts, nclex. the people working there know how to talk you into signing a contract. very good sellers (sales talk). please pass the word of caution to other nurses.

    instead of helping us to leave for us, they only add headache and problems. i was victimized by them. be careful. very very careful.

    editing name of these agencies to conform to the tos. feel free to share any information about them via pm function that we have here. suzanne4 05/09/08
  5. by   CassieRN
    To Ninamik;
    Why? What happened to you in globalcare?
  6. by   rumorhasit
    to ninamik:

    it's almost a year since you've posted about ....... i swear, it made my flesh creeps when i read it because i have signed a contract with them last month. will you please share your story so i would know what to do. i really hope you're still active and regularly visits this site so you can read my message. i am very very worried.

    edited to remove name of agency for everyone's safety. please discuss this matter not in view of everyone else, including the agency. internet is not as anonymous as one thinks.
    please feel free to exchange information either via pm here or via e-mail.

    suzanne4
  7. by   janel.rn
    I've been out of touch from this site. Right now, I am feeling down because I trusted a direct employer from Los Angeles who claimed that the processing is faster with them compared to going to an agency. I signed up with them because they said that we can take our nclex in US, no need to get an experience here because they will provide 3mos training for us.

    But then after three mos, they said that we need to take the nclex before they will continue to process our papers. I took the nclex right away in order for them to continue the processing of my papers, then it took me 5 mos to get a nursing job.

    When I was already working, they required us, to attend to their two weeks training program in makati. I asked for leave in my hospital where I was working, it was disapproved so I have no choice but to resigned.

    After the training, it took me mos again of waiting for a job, I finished 2 courses, I was offered a job that is not related to nursing(both in medical field). I took it because my employer did not require me to get nursing experience but they said that we can also volunteer because it is also for own sake. Since its been a while already for waiting for a nursing job and I also need to earn, I asked the hospital if I can also volunteer. they gladly welcomed me. (During these days, there is still retrogression and my pd is still not current)I never asked them to provide me certificate or anything, I am after the experience. The supply for nurses here is higher than the demand. I am contented with my work and volunteering at the same time as a nurse because I can practice my both profession.
    Our employer met us once again to update with our experience, most of ur work as a volunteer and they are aware of that. They did not inform us to stop from working as a volunteer and instead seek for a full time paid nursing job(which as you all know is difficult to get because of the supply) after 7 months, our pd became surprisingly current, we informed them. they asked us once again to update with them for another screeing and voila! they said that we need to get a full time nursing job with pay for two years and volunteer work would not apply!!!

    I felt that this hospital wasted our time, we put our trust in them and we faithfully followed their requirements but they are not considerate enough with the experience we've done. Why they did not inform us earlier that they need a full time paid nursing job.

    Do we still have a fight in this matter? We would like to complain but we dont know where to go. we felt that we were not treated accordingly they are very inconsistent with their requirements. we need advice... should we back out? they said that they will continue to process our sponsorship only after we have acquired two years of paid nursing job.
    They are so unfair. Advice us please.... Thank you in advance.
  8. by   Ginger's Mom
    If you are talking about a US hospital, they do not have the right to offer you a job until all the immigration issues where cleared. The hospital has no power to changed the retogression process. They could not have offered a position, they may have been trying to line you up in case retrogression was lifted. Did you have to pay for the priveledge to attend this orientation?

    I would not have resigned my hard to find nursing job, until I had a job offer in writing which include they would pay me my lost wages due to the fact you could not come to work for them - you fulfilled you obligations, the hospital ( I suspect an agency was involved)/

    What recourse? Consult you local authorities, no one should be offering positions that could not be filled.

    I never resign my current position without a written offer confirming my first day of employment. I think you jumped the gun. Sorry I feel bad since you had a nursing job and now will find that hard to replace.
  9. by   john83
    Quote from suzanne4
    There are hospitals that will employ you as a direct hire, without experience in the Philippines. But you will have an extremely hard toime to find one when you have not taken and passed the NCLEX exam. That is what is almost impossilbe to do. Most will not want to take a chance that you will pass the exam........they want proof first.
    Indeed, I strongly agree.
  10. by   suzanne4
    Quote from janel.rn
    I've been out of touch from this site. Right now, I am feeling down because I trusted a direct employer from Los Angeles who claimed that the processing is faster with them compared to going to an agency. I signed up with them because they said that we can take our nclex in US, no need to get an experience here because they will provide 3mos training for us.

    But then after three mos, they said that we need to take the nclex before they will continue to process our papers. I took the nclex right away in order for them to continue the processing of my papers, then it took me 5 mos to get a nursing job.

    When I was already working, they required us, to attend to their two weeks training program in makati. I asked for leave in my hospital where I was working, it was disapproved so I have no choice but to resigned.

    After the training, it took me mos again of waiting for a job, I finished 2 courses, I was offered a job that is not related to nursing(both in medical field). I took it because my employer did not require me to get nursing experience but they said that we can also volunteer because it is also for own sake. Since its been a while already for waiting for a nursing job and I also need to earn, I asked the hospital if I can also volunteer. they gladly welcomed me. (During these days, there is still retrogression and my pd is still not current)I never asked them to provide me certificate or anything, I am after the experience. The supply for nurses here is higher than the demand. I am contented with my work and volunteering at the same time as a nurse because I can practice my both profession.
    Our employer met us once again to update with our experience, most of ur work as a volunteer and they are aware of that. They did not inform us to stop from working as a volunteer and instead seek for a full time paid nursing job(which as you all know is difficult to get because of the supply) after 7 months, our pd became surprisingly current, we informed them. they asked us once again to update with them for another screeing and voila! they said that we need to get a full time nursing job with pay for two years and volunteer work would not apply!!!

    I felt that this hospital wasted our time, we put our trust in them and we faithfully followed their requirements but they are not considerate enough with the experience we've done. Why they did not inform us earlier that they need a full time paid nursing job.

    Do we still have a fight in this matter? We would like to complain but we dont know where to go. we felt that we were not treated accordingly they are very inconsistent with their requirements. we need advice... should we back out? they said that they will continue to process our sponsorship only after we have acquired two years of paid nursing job.
    They are so unfair. Advice us please.... Thank you in advance.
    This is why it is always so important to do your homework first before signing with any employer. And the fact that they told you that direct hiring was faster than going thru an agency is just not true at all. Immigration issues visas and it has nothing to do with the type of employer provided that all of the requirements are met.

    And did you go thru your government and an approved employer for them, or is it one that you found on your own? If they are not approved to recruit there, then you really do not have any recourse at all either in terms of that.

    And as I have always posted here, training or volunteer positions do not meet the requirements for most employers, only paid jobs do.

    With the retrogression going on and a five year wait or so to get a visa, you may wish to consider another country to get experience in at this point in time.
  11. by   suzanne4
    Quote from Alexk49
    If you are talking about a US hospital, they do not have the right to offer you a job until all the immigration issues where cleared. The hospital has no power to changed the retogression process. They could not have offered a position, they may have been trying to line you up in case retrogression was lifted. Did you have to pay for the priveledge to attend this orientation?

    I would not have resigned my hard to find nursing job, until I had a job offer in writing which include they would pay me my lost wages due to the fact you could not come to work for them - you fulfilled you obligations, the hospital ( I suspect an agency was involved)/

    What recourse? Consult you local authorities, no one should be offering positions that could not be filled.

    I never resign my current position without a written offer confirming my first day of employment. I think you jumped the gun. Sorry I feel bad since you had a nursing job and now will find that hard to replace.

    Actually not correct. You cannot clear the immigration procedures unless you have an employer to petition for you. One must actually pass either the CGFNS exam or the NCLEX-RN exam to have an employer begin the immigration procedures for you. A job cannot be offered legally until one of those exams are passed.

    With the retrogression in place, there is a wait of about five years now for a visa, and we see nurses get hired all of the time. But if the agency or the facility is no longer in business when it comes time for the interview, then the nurse must start all over again with a new petitioner. Same thing if the facility no longer needs nurses then or they have changed their administration and they are no longer going to bring in foreign nurses, we see it all of the time.
  12. by   Ginger's Mom
    Are you saying this person should have resigned? I am a bit confused. As I mentioned before I would never quit one job without a letter of committment from another, with a start date.
  13. by   suzanne4
    Quote from Alexk49
    Are you saying this person should have resigned? I am a bit confused. As I mentioned before I would never quit one job without a letter of committment from another, with a start date.
    You have me confused as you stated that an American facility can not hire without one having gone thru the petitioning process and that is not how things are actually done. One must be hired in order to even start the petitioning process.

    Problem is that this poster picked a place that did not live up to what they were going to do, and unfortunately we are seeing more and more of it happening now. Not sure why a class was required for two weeks as well when it is going to be sometime before they are even in the US and ready to work. We are also seeing the US Embassy not as easy to grant a visa when one has only passed the CGFNS exam as some of the agencies were having the nurses do and they were not even submitting their documents for licensure until the nurse arrived in the US. And then they could only work in the role of the CNA and they would get paid that salary for months. For one particular agency, the Embassy has stopped permitting family members to arrive in the US at the same time as it is impossible to support a family on $10 per hour and this is what they were getting in the LA area for three months plus.

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