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meluhn has 16 years experience and specializes in acute rehab, med surg, LTC, peds, home c.

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One of the proprietary schools in my area constantly runs ads for its practical nursing program, citing "statistics" that claim that the demand for nurses will increase over 600% in the "next few years". The program charges about $30,000 for tuition and, worst of all, the largest health care employer in the community is no longer hiring LPNs because it is trying to get magnet status.

The best that the graduates of that program can probably expect is to be hired at clinics or LTC, both of which pay far less than hospital nursing.

I taught briefly at a program like this and there are so many problems with it. They accept anyone with a pulse who will qualify for financial aid, put up with any kind of behavior as long as the tuition is paid. It is definitely a "customer is always right" kind of business with a quality education being the last on the list of priorities. This puts the educator in an awkward position to say the least when the admin won't back them up when they catch students cheating, being blatantly inappropriate, etc. I always advise students to stear clear of schools like this.

PS The LPN program was the biggest money maker at the school.

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A classmate of mines just took out a loan for $55,000 :eek::eek:for the nursing program at Samuel Merrit University in Oakland Ca. She was desperate after not being able to get into our public university program for 2 yrs.

Is Samuel Merritt University considered a predatory school like the kind everyone here is talking about? What about University of San Francisco (not UCSF)? There tuition is pretty much just as high as Samuel Merritt.

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Junebugfairy specializes in Gyn/STD clinic tech.

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you do not need to pay anywhere near 22,000 for a decent new car.. i bought a brand spankin new kio rio for 8,000, with full a warranty, that i absouktely love. i cannot see spending too much on car.

buying a high dollar brand car is a choice...

i am paying 6500, including everything, for my cc rn program :)

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Is Samuel Merritt University considered a predatory school like the kind everyone here is talking about? What about University of San Francisco (not UCSF)? There tuition is pretty much just as high as Samuel Merritt.

No they are reputable schools with good reputations. I lost focus when I made my post and was focusing on the price not if it was predatory lending or not. It just sucks to owe $50,000 or $60,000 in debt and the nurse working right next to you went to a public university and has $5000 in debt:crying2:. A classmate told me his sister is in $80,000 debt:eek:. I remember when I first came out of High school I went for medical assisting at one of those trade schools at an outrageous price in which I had to pay back even though i nor my friend ever got a job. That school was shut down years ago for fraud I think.

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The newspaper in the nearest big city to me did an series of investigative articles a few years ago on the local branch of a well-known national proprietary tech/voc school. The school offered computer programs, not nursing, but the articles documented in detail how the school recruited people who clearly could not be expected to be able to do college level academic work, helped them apply for federal student aid and loans, enrolled them in classes, and then, when the students flunked out, the school pocketed the money and laughed all the way to the bank (and the "students" were left with many thousands of dollars in student loans to repay). The limited number of students who did complete their programs and get their certificates or degrees found, when they went job-hunting, that no technology employer in the area took the piece of paper seriously and they were no more employable than they were before they were suckered into attending the school. The entire "school" was little more than a scam to collect federal student loan money. After the articles ran, the school shut down and left the area.

I notice from reading here that that same "school" chain is now offering nursing programs in some cities (not in my state, thank goodness!) I really feel sorry for the people who fall for their slick marketing and hard-sell "student advising."

I think I remember reading about this some time back. It was quite eye opening at the time. My brother was injured on the job and the employment department sent him for retraining for a desk job doing something with computers. He went to one of these trade schools. Although he was able to obtain employment after he graduated, every one of the jobs laid him off when they transferred their IT departments offshore. He is now back doing the work that the state medically disqualified him from to keep out of the street.

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you do not need to pay anywhere near 22,000 for a decent new car.. i bought a brand spankin new kio rio for 8,000, with full a warranty, that i absouktely love. i cannot see spending too much on car.

buying a high dollar brand car is a choice...

i am paying 6500, including everything, for my cc rn program :)

in reading consumer reports, i'd bet my nissan at 22k would outlast your kia rio x3 lol.....so if my car lasts 3 times as long we are even my friend. in my area, a cc rn is an adn, and they are at a competitive disadvantage to get hired into hospitals vs bsn these days. however this is nyc...i am sure there are areas where adns still do just fine.

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No they are reputable schools with good reputations. I lost focus when I made my post and was focusing on the price not if it was predatory lending or not. It just sucks to owe $50,000 or $60,000 in debt and the nurse working right next to you went to a public university and has $5000 in debt:crying2:.

Ah thanks! You had me scared there for a second! I've heard very good things about Samuel Merritt (and USF) from classmates, students and healthcare workers :D! The tuition is high, but I think it's the norm for private schools. Those public school fees are very nice tho in comparison :crying2:

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OgopogoLPN is a LPN, RN and specializes in Med/Surg, LTC/Geriatric.

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A private college in my province continually advertises its LPN program, which is $22,500 :eek:

They are accredited and their graduates do have high percentage of passing the national exam, however I have heard very negative feedback from their students...disorganized, high staff turnover, poor lab equipment and supplies.

This school also keeps running the program many times per year, even though the LPN market is saturated in many parts of the province and new grads are having a very hard time getting hired anywhere, even casual.

On the other hand, I took my LPN education at a public CC and paid $4500 for tuition. My college had added a 3rd intake of LPN students, ran it for one intake and then suspended it as the local market is saturated and there are just no jobs for those grads....responsible thing to do in my opinion. You'll never see a for-profit, private college do that!

Anyone expecting to get a good wage for 1 yrs schooling at a cheap tuition is expecting too much. Someone said 22k is too much for tuition. Isnt that the average price of a decent new car these days? So u would buy a car, but not get an education? The concern is will the education actually result in a job, or is it a scam training for jobs with zero demand.

I have to disagree with you 100%. I wasn't expecting too much. I challenged myself and succeded. See my above post.

Why in the world would I pay 4x the tuition to go to a substandard school when I can pay 1/4 the tuition for a school with a great reputation?? I did my research. I applied to the school I felt best met my needs. I did expect to go to school with 1 year of eduction and came out making a good wage. I worked my butt of at my prerequisites to gain acceptance to this school. And guess where I am now?

Making $25-$30/hour (depending on shift) after 1 year of eduction and having paid CHEAP tuition. :nurse: Oh, and I didn't have to wait either. My school either accepts you based on grades, or you reapply. I got in on my first try.

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ksrose1 has 16 years experience and specializes in Nursing Home, Dementia units, & Hospital.

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I unfortunately went to one of the schools years and years ago.....way before I became a CNA or an LPN. I spent way to much money and used pell grants that I shouldn't have to go. I completed the schooling during which I was told that I was over weight and if I didn't lose 10 pounds the placement office would not be obligated to help me find work. I jumped through all their hoops, lost 15 pounds, only to be told I would find it hard to get a job. The last week of class several area doctors came in for a Q&A session. It was then I was told that because I was a military wife I would find it very difficult to find a job. No doctor would want to hire me, train me just to have me leave in a few years. I never worked one day as an RMA (registered medical assistant). I even took the national test and passed it though it was not required. These places should not be allowed to use government money they are the used cars dealers of of education. I am 51 days away from graduation of my RN program. My husband I have paid for it out of our own pockets, no money was borrowed, no contracts signed. I worked through the whole program full time at the hospital and felt many times I was going nuts. The moral of this story.....I wish I knew then what I know now and that someone had told me that I would never work one day as a medical assisstant.

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Anyone expecting to get a good wage for 1 yrs schooling at a cheap tuition is expecting too much. Someone said 22k is too much for tuition. Isnt that the average price of a decent new car these days? So u would buy a car, but not get an education? The concern is will the education actually result in a job, or is it a scam training for jobs with zero demand.

So, are you saying that someone "expecting to get a good wage for 1 yrs schooling" at a school with expensive tuition is not expecting too much? It's a matter of what credentials and qualifications you end up with, not how much tuition you paid.

As for whether someone would spend 22k on a car but not an education -- it's about whether people should spend 22k on tuition when you can get the same education (in the case of these proprietary schools, probably a better education), and end up with the same credential, at another school for a quarter of that 22k ... It's more than just whether you can find a job when you're done; there's also the question of whether you're being ripped off.

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WoofyMutt80 specializes in Geriatrics, Cath Lab, Cardiology,Neuro.

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This reminds of the time when I was going for my CNA, and this "school" named Xintra, formerly Tech Com, formerly other names, which operated outside of Boston, had us pay nearly $700 and we and the instructor only had one class because the Board of Higher Education shut it down the next week for fraud and other things (they were in violation of a court order to NEVER operate again, so they operated under Xintra), However the school never gave us notice they were shutting down, and a phone call to the Attorney General and we got out $$$ back ASAP.

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Junebugfairy specializes in Gyn/STD clinic tech.

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for the record, i got my last kia to 305,000 miles... it was a 1994.

 

oil changes every 3,000 miles, i use full synthetic blend, and any car can last. you have to maintain it.

 

i already have a new grad job waiting for me:) when i was doing clinicals i was noticed by many for having an excellent ability to work under pressure, knowing my 'stuff', and being a great team player...

 

i have a 4.0 gpa, which i am sure does not hurt.

 

i like to think that my good fortune in having a job after graduation is not 'luck', but a show of my capabilities and strength.

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