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More propaganda for hospitals and Nursing schools.

I'm not buying it because for years every time one of these articles came out thousands more flocked to nursing schools in the US... and abroad.--Foreigners read these articles and go into nursing because they think it's a ticket to US citizenship.

Also many other foreign nurses try to immigrate because they think conditions and salaries for US nurses are much better. All the foreign nurses who come here contribute to the glut and that makes conditions and salaries for US nurses go down.

Out of my graduating class only 12 out of 77 have RN jobs. There is a backlog of new grads who need nursing jobs let alone the many who wish to come here and take our jobs:

http://www.indeed.com/forum/job/nurse-rn/Foreign-RN-searching-job-NYC/t136187/p1#c829558

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hope3456 is a ASN, RN and specializes in LTC, Psych, M/S.

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I hope this is true - but there will need to be an awful lot of jobs come open to absorb all the unemployed/underemployed new and newer RN's.

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It is easy to predict that job situation will improve, simply because it is certainly going to do so at some point. The difficult thing is to predict when.

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eriksoln has 15 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in M/S, Travel Nursing, Pulmonary.

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More propaganda for hospitals and Nursing schools.

I'm not buying it because for years every time one of these articles came out thousands more flocked to nursing schools in the US... and abroad.--Foreigners read these articles and go into nursing because they think it's a ticket to US citizenship.

Also many other foreign nurses try to immigrate because they think conditions and salaries for US nurses are much better. All the foreign nurses who come here contribute to the glut and that makes conditions and salaries for US nurses go down.

Out of my graduating class only 12 out of 77 have RN jobs. There is a backlog of new grads who need nursing jobs let alone the many who wish to come here and take our jobs:

http://www.indeed.com/forum/job/nurse-rn/Foreign-RN-searching-job-NYC/t136187/p1#c829558

This was my first reaction too. Propaganda designed to get more people into the schools.

IDK what to think anymore TBH.

On one hand, I remember all the arguments about why there was going to be a horrifying nursing shortage (retirements, baby boomers getting older and outnumbering current staffing capacities ect ect).

On the other hand you have............well........reality, which is no one wants to hire in this economic state and predictions that when the new healthcare legislation comes into effect, jobs will be lost.

Maybe I'll go back to school for a trade of some sort lol.

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Here's reality.

Nurses from many other countries come to america and compete with us for jobs. These people are used to (comparatively) poor working conditions and less wages, so the companies prefer them.

Companies in america, particularly rinky dink rehab and LTC facilities hire insufficient nursing staff because they can get away with it. Even though more than enough nurses are available for hire, they simply CHOOSE to hire less nurses because that big fat CEO needs a brand new gold walking stick. Nurses are usually female and often are of minority backgrounds and are immigrants so they are easily exploited (compared to white male amercians, or a "WMA" as eddie vedder would say).

In nursing, for some bizarre reason, it is considered completely acceptable normal working conditions to run around like a dog without taking time to tend for basic self care such as using a bathroom, eating, or drinking. These are considered luxuries in nursing. This perception on behalf of nurses that it is normal and acceptable to just work 8 or 12 hours straight without a proper break ENABLES these corporations to habitually understaff nurses. When you have a group of women, minorities, people who speak english as a second language from poor countries, who have been conditioned to think sub par working conditions are acceptable, is anyone really surprised when the corporations keep things the way they are?

The end result is nurses cannot get jobs, and those with jobs are miserable usually because the working conditions are so poor. Originally we were told lies that the working conditions were poor because of a "nursing shortage", which sometimes this was true, but usually it was a complete lie. They cannot get away with that bullsh*t anymore since it is obvious most of us can't find jobs due to the companies refusing to hire, and yet we still see nurses in hospitals, rehabs, LTCs and other facilities being worked like dogs. It's just normal.

I look around my area at ALL these crappy facilities which hire ignorant people who barely speak english, minimally trained at fly by night schools, some of which were not properly accredited by a state board of nursing, fresh off the boat because they are easily exploited. They grossly understaff nurses, undersupply units, and they just get away with it because they make a concentrated effort to avoid american emloyees if possible.

I work a rehab center and I have watched this facility trade hands recently from a relatively good hospital company to a notoriously bad nursing home company. On payday today every single employee was underpaid, they cheat us out of hours, they cheat our rate, they hide our "benefits" from us so they can scam us. No one is paid a full 75 hours, even though we don't always take breaks and usually stay after shift doing hard work. The patients are not supplied basic things lthey need for dignified care, like peri wipes.

Conditions for nurses at work are no better than they were when there were less nurses.

This country is pretty horrible in general. I always knew it but now my eyes are wide open.

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It is easy to predict that job situation will improve, simply because it is certainly going to do so at some point. The difficult thing is to predict when.

Says who?

Why are nurses entitled to good money? Every other single american worker has dealt with this hard truth already - the outsourcing (or emmigration) of labor. Nursing was merely one of the last disciplines left which was untouched. Now we are seeing that, just like all the corporations set up shop in china, all the medical corporations are facilitating / promoting emigration of haitians, filipinos, africans, and others who will work for less money, with less benefits, with poorer working conditions.

When did the working conditions improve for the american factory worker? Oh yea, they didnt. The american factory worker no longer really exists. People who used to be factory workers just decided to go to college instead saddling tons of student loan debts, with the hopes of getting an office job, a sort of ponzi scheme on behalf of banks. College used to be elite, now it's a given, because it is like highschool part 2 - bare minimum to earn any kind of living.

Conditions never will improve for nurses because just like every other single american figured out decades ago, there are too many people and not enough jobs, and guess what, people from third world countries will win as they bid lower.

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I'll take the article at face value, and take all the negativism is this thread as a contrarian indicator. Some of you seem to be postulating that the current state of nursing (which you seem to think is terrible) will continue indefinitely. Think about this: all the demographic factors predictive of a nursing shortage are still coming to pass, and very few industries are less economically sensitive than health care.

As for those of you concerned about a wave of immigrants taking your jobs (sounds a little like the South Park about immigrants from the future), have you taken steps to get advanced degrees/certifications to make yourself more qualified?

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NooNieNursie;4743514]Here's reality. Nurses are usually female and often are of minority backgrounds and are immigrants so they are easily exploited (compared to white male amercians, or a "WMA" as eddie vedder would say).

I feel bad that you have such lousy working conditions, but that's not my reality, and you just managed to insult a whole lot of wonderful people by insinuating that they are stupid and easily controlled. I might ask you what exactly is it about a minority background that you find different from any other person in the US? That is utterly ridiculous. African Americans have a background from Africa, and I have a background from Scotland. So what?

Says who?

Why are nurses entitled to good money? Every other single american worker has dealt with this hard truth already - the outsourcing (or emmigration) of labor. Nursing was merely one of the last disciplines left which was untouched. Now we are seeing that, just like all the corporations set up shop in china, all the medical corporations are facilitating / promoting emigration of haitians, filipinos, africans, and others who will work for less money, with less benefits, with poorer working conditions.

You're a bit fuzzy on the terminology there. Outsourcing means an American company does business outside the US, emigration is what we call someone leaving here to work somewhere else, and immigration is having people come here.

This country is pretty horrible in general. I always knew it but now my eyes are wide open.

That is a slow pitch if ever there was one, so I will demur. Also -- no one I know pays two different wages based on ethnicity.

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Here's reality.

Nurses from many other countries come to america and compete with us for jobs. These people are used to (comparatively) poor working conditions and less wages, so the companies prefer them.

Companies in america, particularly rinky dink rehab and LTC facilities hire insufficient nursing staff because they can get away with it. Even though more than enough nurses are available for hire, they simply CHOOSE to hire less nurses because that big fat CEO needs a brand new gold walking stick. Nurses are usually female and often are of minority backgrounds and are immigrants so they are easily exploited (compared to white male amercians, or a "WMA" as eddie vedder would say).

In nursing, for some bizarre reason, it is considered completely acceptable normal working conditions to run around like a dog without taking time to tend for basic self care such as using a bathroom, eating, or drinking. These are considered luxuries in nursing. This perception on behalf of nurses that it is normal and acceptable to just work 8 or 12 hours straight without a proper break ENABLES these corporations to habitually understaff nurses. When you have a group of women, minorities, people who speak english as a second language from poor countries, who have been conditioned to think sub par working conditions are acceptable, is anyone really surprised when the corporations keep things the way they are?

The end result is nurses cannot get jobs, and those with jobs are miserable usually because the working conditions are so poor. Originally we were told lies that the working conditions were poor because of a "nursing shortage", which sometimes this was true, but usually it was a complete lie. They cannot get away with that bullsh*t anymore since it is obvious most of us can't find jobs due to the companies refusing to hire, and yet we still see nurses in hospitals, rehabs, LTCs and other facilities being worked like dogs. It's just normal.

I look around my area at ALL these crappy facilities which hire ignorant people who barely speak english, minimally trained at fly by night schools, some of which were not properly accredited by a state board of nursing, fresh off the boat because they are easily exploited. They grossly understaff nurses, undersupply units, and they just get away with it because they make a concentrated effort to avoid american emloyees if possible.

I work a rehab center and I have watched this facility trade hands recently from a relatively good hospital company to a notoriously bad nursing home company. On payday today every single employee was underpaid, they cheat us out of hours, they cheat our rate, they hide our "benefits" from us so they can scam us. No one is paid a full 75 hours, even though we don't always take breaks and usually stay after shift doing hard work. The patients are not supplied basic things lthey need for dignified care, like peri wipes.

Conditions for nurses at work are no better than they were when there were less nurses.

This country is pretty horrible in general. I always knew it but now my eyes are wide open.

While I agree facilities are accepting less than standard care in the name of profit, its silly to blame this on immigrants. Thats the stuff they sell on outlandish political shows, usually mentioned between skits about how area 51 hides aliens and that JFK's body is frozen somewhere so he can be cloned.

U do realize green cards and visas into the U.S. have been frozen for quite some time now, don't you? I don't think you do. Yes, there are many workers here who "speak English as a second language", but there are thousands upon thousands who can not get in. This is well documented right here on this very site. They probably never will be able to get in either.

The acceptance of substandard conditions by nurses started with and, for the most part, is the choice of the home grown "English as a primary language" nurses. For too long we stuck our noses in the air with a false dignity and thought ourselves better than the "average Joe plummer" because we...........had a calling from God..........acted like we were here to have humanity or something. So busy were we with accepting plastic pins for "caregiver of the year" and such false pride accomplishments, we never bothered to take notice that we were allowing the powers that be get the upper hand.

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country mom has 16 years experience.

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This country is pretty horrible in general. I always knew it but now my eyes are wide open.

Dang!

You know why I love this country? Because you can go on the radio and say that, you can write a newspaper editorial and say that, you can write that on a billboard. And if you did, you wouldn't have to watch your back for the "secret police" to come and take you away in the middle of the night.

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®Nurse has 29 years experience and specializes in PACU, CCRN-K, Education, Trauma, CNL.

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The argument regarding "Outsourcing/Insourcing" is somewhat underbaked - When the US companies "Outsource" they are having a product made overseas in a cheaper environment.

When workers from overseas come to the US for work, they do not commute back and forth. They LIVE here. With the rest of us. I know that sometimes, they bunk together with relatives to save money, but they are generally paying the same for rent and groceries as the rest of us.

My point is - the consequences of working for less money and benefits generally catch up with them sooner or later. If you and I are desperate enough to work, we will work for less money - until that catches up with us too.

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