Was the Supreme Court right to rule that the Affordable Care Act violated the religio
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No - The ruling allows bosses to impose their religious beliefs on their employees. Besides, the Constitution grants religious freedom to individuals, not corporations.
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Yes - The religious beliefs of company owners take precedence over their employees' right to have access to birth control.
Should religious family-owned companies be required to cover contraceptives under their insurance plans? The high court says no.
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This is a highly political topic, I'd rather not turn this into a hot argumentative subject, so please keep your comments civil :) But please feel free to comment. Thanks
In a 5-4 decision Monday, the Supreme Court allowed a key exemption to the health law's contraception coverage requirements when it ruled that closely held for-profit businesses could assert a religious objection to the Obama administration's regulations. What does it mean? Here are some questions and answers about the case.What did the court's ruling do?
The court's majority said that the for-profit companies that filed suit-Hobby Lobby Stores, a nationwide chain of 500 arts and crafts stores, and Conestoga Wood Specialties, a maker of custom cabinets-didn't have to offer female employeesall Food and Drug Administration-approved contraceptivesas part of a package of preventive services that must be covered without copays or deductibles under the law. The companies had argued that several types of contraceptivesviolate their owners' religious beliefs. The ruling also covers a Hobby Lobby subsidiary, the Mardel Christian bookstores.
I pay for lots of things I don't want to pay for. Viagra. member pumps.
LOL! That was a good one. But let me clarify, I will admit paying for something i don't want to is possibly acceptable to me but to add to that, a violation of my conscience, is too much and over the line.
Do you actually have a violation of your conscience when you pay for such accessories and acoutriments you mentioned?
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Well if you don't want to pay for their pregnancy, birth control would be the way to avoid that.
I pay for lots of things I don't want to pay for. Viagra. member pumps. Why should I pay for others on my insurance plan to get meat on their hospital meal tray when I'm vegetarian?
It's called insurance. You pay for things you won't use and others pay for things you will use.
I pay for war and an overbloated military presence that I don't agree with. And yes, I feel so strongly about it that it violates my conscience. We don't have a buffet tax plan in our country, where you can just pick and choose which programs you deem acceptable and which you don't.
(That was in agreement with Wooh and in response to CNCwhatever, the person who keeps posting the ridiculous anti-choice rhetoric)
I pay for war and an overbloated military presence that I don't agree with. And yes, I feel so strongly about it that it violates my conscience.
Then you shouldn't pay for it - go to the SCOTUS and get heard. But if you choose to sit there and take it with a certain apathy, don't blame others like Hobby Lobby for standing up and getting heard.
Do you actually have a violation of your conscience when you pay for such accessories and acoutriments you mentioned?
Paying for meat on their meal trays certainly does. But if I run a business, and I pay people, I don't tell them they can't use their compensation to buy meat. I keep my conscience to myself and let others worry about their conscience. Too bad Hobby Lobby can't do that.
Honor-killing of a raped woman vs. killing an unborn child conceived by rape:
In many paternalistic Muslim and Hindu cultures, a woman who is raped is perceived as "unclean" and "guilty of bringing shame" to the family for not having prevented the rape. She may be murdered by a male member of the family - an "honor killing" - to preserve the family's honor, to rid the family of the "uncleanliness" of the rape, and to reclaim the family's dignity. In doing so, they punish the innocent victim of the crime.
In our country we do the same thing. When a woman is a victim of rape and becomes pregnant, she is encouraged to kill her unborn child conceived by rape to prevent further dishonor and to reclaim her dignity. This is also an honor-killing. We are attempting to rid ourselves of the "embarrassment" and "uncleanliness" of the rape by killing an innocent human being - the unborn child. Where is the honor? Where is the justice? Honor killings actually INCREASE the trauma, injustice, and suffering to victims of an unjust and horrendous crime like rape.
All too commonly, we are critical of other cultures while being blind to our own shortcomings and... our own form of honor-killings.
"The level of moral hypocrisy that we have required ourselves to live with in order to make abortion legal is much more evident to me now, as it must be to anyone who is genuinely willing to look at it." (Cynthia Gorney, Oakland pro-choice journalist and author of Articles of Faith: A Frontline History of the Abortion Wars, in a July 17, 1998 interview with the East Bay Express)
"July 2nd – Hobby Lobby had no problems with 16 out of the 20 birth control methods mandated by Obamacare, it was only 4 (including the “morning-after” pill) that owner David Green & family felt violated their religious beliefs. No matter, after SCOTUS agreed Monday with Hobby Lobby’s position, screams of “War on Women” were heard from leftist feminists & Dem politicians. For those upset two “radical” ideas: 1) Don’t work for companies like Hobby Lobby or 2) Pay for the few methods a company refuses to cover Are companies with coffee vending machines waging a “War on Coffee Drinkers?” Working women wages under O dropping nearly 10%, gas prices doubling, the fed debt exploding & failing schools are all “women’s issues.” As are sex selection abortions in Asia, schoolgirls being kidnapped in Nigeria, barbaric stonings and the total subjugation of women in other parts of the world. If those with their knickers now in a twist wish to be viewed as adults, and not as self-absorbed brats, perhaps they should show concern for these issues as well. P" -- Paula Priesse
Like the saying in "Cool Hand Luke", what we have here is a failure to communicate. And as my favorite group "War" sang, Why can't we be friends? Oops, dating myself here...
But if I run a business, and I pay people, I don't tell them they can't use their compensation to buy meat. I keep my conscience to myself and let others worry about their conscience. Too bad Hobby Lobby can't do that.
Not true. There is a BIG difference between wages and benefits. You can do whatever you want with your wages, but your benefits are under the control of your employer in ALL businesses, not just Hobby Lobby. If you want complete control of your bebefits, start your own business or get paid per-diem at a job that does so. No problemo.
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Hobby Lobby provides birth control as part of their benefits package. What they objected to was being mandated to pay for the morning after pill which is not birth control but an abortificant. There is a difference.
Why do pro-choice groups consistently label an unborn child as 'less' than a human being?
Dehumanizing the victim is a common coping mechanism and justification used among perpetrators of injustice. Human history abounds with such examples. Hutu perpetrators involved in the Rwanda genocide called their Tutsi victims "cockroaches". The U.S. Supreme Court ruled a black slave, Dred Scott, to be nothing more than the "private property" of his master. When the Nazis labeled their Jewish victims as Untermenschen,or subhuman, they meant it - literally.
David Livingstone Smith, director of the Institute for Cognitive Science and Evolutionary Psychology at the University of New England, and author of "Less Than Human: Why We Demean, Enslave, and Exterminate Others", described the Nazis' labeling of Jews as follows: "They didn't mean they were like sub humans. They meant they were literally subhuman."
Smith argues for the need to define and describe dehumanization, because that is precisely what opens the door for cruelty and genocide. He continues, "We all know, despite what we see in the movies, that it's very difficult, psychologically, to kill another human being up close and in cold blood, or to inflict atrocities on them." So, it’s important to understand how some human beings are able to, "...overcome the very deep and natural inhibitions they have against treating other people like game animals or vermin...."
Another recent example of this was an article on Britain's child-sex rings which reported how the perpetrators viewed the young girls as "lesser beings" and "something less valuable" ("Britain's child-sex rings", Orange County Register, May 20, 2012)
The pro-choice community is in denial regarding: the humanity of the unborn; the life of the unborn; and death by abortion. Pro-choice feminist Naomi Wolf addressed this and stated: "Clinging to rhetoric about abortion in which there is no life and no death, we entangle our beliefs in a series of self-delusions, fibs and evasions. And we risk becoming precisely what our critics charge us with being: callous, selfish and casually destructive men and women who share a cheapened view of human life." (Naomi Wolf, "Our Bodies, Our Souls," The New Republic, October 16, 1995, 26-35).
Jewish Rabbi Yehuda Levin put it this way: "Each form of genocide, whether Holocaust, lynching, abortion, etc., differs from all the others in the motives and methods of its perpetrators. But each form of genocide is identical to all the others in that it involves the systematic slaughter, as state sanctioned "choice," of innocent, defenseless victims -- while denying their 'personhood.'"
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Really? You mean when a woman gets pregnant, only SHE was involved and only SHE incurred the taxpayer expense to cover the cost of birth control?
Its not about shaming women - its about shaming BOTH those women AND MEN who have sex and then ask others to pay for it.
It most certainly is NOT about both men and women. There are no religious restrictions upon the man's ability to obtain reproductive health care in any form. They have access to all of those ED drugs which they can take to increase the size and duration of their erections thereby promoting sex for the purposes of entertainment and recreation.
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LOL! That was a good one. But let me clarify, I will admit paying for something i don't want to is possibly acceptable to me but to add to that, a violation of my conscience, is too much and over the line.
Do you actually have a violation of your conscience when you pay for such accessories and acoutriments you mentioned?