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azbluesgal has 25 years experience and works as a retired.

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love your avatar, blue devil. i'm a retired RN. worked my way up from CNA to LPN to RN. did mostly psych, but had enough med-surg experience to know what's going on with the Jahi case. really sad for the hospital. i cannot imagine what it was like for the staff to have to endure a month of being held hostage by this family of sociopaths/psychopaths. I could give you my diagnoses of all the principles in this obscene tragedy. LVN granny is on you tube explaining that she, step dad and Jahi herself were using suction. I think we all know where this leads. I wish i could find some accounts of other families who had to endure this mess, but I really feel that possibly they are staying out of the media in order for CHO to have an air tight case when this whole thing comes out. That's why I would do - try to help the hospital. BTW I hear it is a five star facility like Childrens in Phoenix. Interesting line of comments on this.

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azbluesgal has 25 years experience and works as a retired.

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Commuter - would it be any different if the child were Honey Boo Boo. Unfortunately ignorance, stupidity, and arrogance don't see "color bars" either. I can't wait for CHO to be vindicated once and for all, but that's going to be a long wait.

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The brain dead kid is all the proof you need. Maybe your blind and dumb. Ahhh, wait, your a Lawyer. Since you asked, they removed to much of the Posterior oral pharynx, caused the tissue to swell compressed the vessels that run up through the transverse foramen therefore cutting the flow of blood to the brain. The loss of blood was a non issue and the cardiac arrest was do to loss of brain function, they were able to restart the heart but the real damage was done

Found this on one of the message boards......

I seriously doubt this. She would have exhibited a change in LOC prior to the arrest IF this was the scenario that played out and no one has ever mentioned a single word about syncope, slurred speech, lethargy, etc.

What's frustrating about posts like the ones above is that it sounds somewhat authoritative and people seem so eager to blame the hospital for negligence that they will believe such claims without reserve.

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casi has 3 years experience and works as a LTC RN.

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The one thing that has been kind of nice about the family not saying anything lately is that the media is starting to seek out reliable sources. I've been seeing more and more articles about "experts say body is going to shut down no matter what"

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JustBeachyNurse has 10 years experience as a RN and works as a Nurse.

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The one thing that has been kind of nice about the family not saying anything lately is that the media is starting to seek out reliable sources. I've been seeing more and more articles about "experts say body is going to shut down no matter what"

True.

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imintrouble has 16 years experience and works as a RN.

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Most of us would agree, the next chapter of this story will include a malpractice trial. How is it possible the hospital can be liable, when Jahi's family obviously ignored post op restrictions? I'm not naive. I know being right does not mean you win.

I've been lucky enough to have never been sued. No malpractice depositions. So it seems from where I'm sitting, the family did everything possible wrong post op. Apparently there are even families of other pts willing to testify to what they witnessed

So how does that work?

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Tina, RN has 20 years experience and works as a High School Nurse.

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Jan, you need to write a book. Seriously. Ill even pay now for a pre-written copy.

I agree!!

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I realize that the noncompliance to post-op instructions is mostly conjecture based on third party statements and comments from the family, but...I really am inclined to believe that Jahi's mother fed her solid food postoperatively.

I don't know anyone who doesn't come out of surgery starving. That's just a given. As soon as you wake up in recovery, the first thing you want is food and I don't doubt it was the same for Jahi. And, based on her weight, I would imagine that food was something she was indulged in for a good portion of her life. I seriously doubt she was told "no" very often or given limits on what she could and could not eat. She was probably begging her mom for something to eat postoperatively (which, who doesn't beg their family members for something after going sometimes days without food?). I'm not saying that was a bad thing or uncommon. I'm saying that I find it unlikely that her mother had ever denied her food before (see her weight), so I seriously doubt she denied her food in post-op. It's very probable that she had the mindset of, "Oh, it's just a little bite and she's so hungry...what can it hurt?" I've seen that mentality personally too many times already in my short nursing practice. Family members give NPO patients food all the time.

And then, when I think about how borderline obsessed the mom has been with Jahi's "nutrition" since all this began unfolding, I am almost 100% convinced that she did feed her daughter postoperatively and, possibly, doing so dislodged a clot which began the cascade of Jahi's catastrophic bleeding. If the family did indeed suction her as they claim, what probably started as profuse but controllable bleeding likely degenerated into copious, unmanageable blood loss due to the dislodging of those clots.

The more I think on it, the more likely it seems to me. And, at this point, it's not even about blaming the mom or family because I know they were only doing what they thought was right for their family member. It happens. What frustrates me is the thought that the hospital and its medical personnel are the ones taking the heat for the family's decisions/mistakes/actions and that's not fair.

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grammatical correction

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​Excellent post, dee!

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2k15NurseExtern4u works as a BSN-RN.

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I havent heard or read much about Jahi's condition as of late. Could she already be deceased and her family just keeping it from the press to avoid the "We told you so" comments? Not to sound dark, but I really hope that her body has finally expired. This whole ordeal just seems disgusting to me. It is as if she is slowly rotting away, irreversibly. Now, what once was a person full of life, has gradually morphed into a decaying mass of tissues and organs. Im sorry if it seems cruel to say, but thats all I can picture any time I think of this story. It's like something out of a science fiction novel.

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Tina, RN has 20 years experience and works as a High School Nurse.

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Every thought I have on this topic has already been posted in this thread. I am horrified by the whole thing. I can't even begin to imagine having my child die. And everyone grieves in their own way. But, come on...

My main concern is the precedent this may set. Are hospitals so desperate for "good scores" that they will start allowing families to decide when a patient is "dead enough" to satisfy them?? I still can't understand why nobody put their foot down when this whole thing started, and said, "We're sorry, but the child is clinically dead. We can't continue treatment and we can't allow you to haul her body around the country. It is not allowed." Is it that this family was so vocal? Why don't the rules/laws of medicine and decency apply to them? This sort of thing has never been allowed. Why now? Why for this family? Where does it end?

And I have to say, if the family isn't after a big payday, that uncle isn't helping matters. Isn't he the official family spokesperson? And hasn't he made several comments about money already?? He is making the whole family look as if they are after $$$.

May Jahi rest in peace.

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naijanurse has 7 years experience and works as a rn.

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I am not sure if this has already been posted (sorry haven't read all the posts), but here is the physician's declaration from Dr Heidi Flori from Children's Hospital, denying the requests for peg and trach insertions. It describes the state of the poor girl's body. This whole story is pretty sad, I feel especially bad for the staff that had to go in day after day, and take care of her. Must have been emotionally draining

http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/HeidiFlori.pdf

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