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I doubt a family dealing with the impending death of a child has money and notoriety as their prime motivator in this situation. I see this as a family who felt they needed to make as much noise as possible to facilitate the continuation of perceived life-sustaining care. I'll let you be the judge of their success.

The part in bold I agree with. Yet I believe that someone in that camp exploited that helpless feeling and we are now seeing the results.

I do not believe the child is alive, but looking at the families lack of understanding about brain death (and as can be seen by the numerous media comments they are not alone) I think francas is right, I think they initially felt they had no choice but to make a scene.

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SoldierNurse22 works as a L&D Nurse.

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As fellow health care professional, I feel my advocacy skills would be better directed at improving the care of the living rather than on focusing on the care of a dead body or preventing a family from dealing with their grief in the manner they chose. Just as it is not my job to tell someone how they must care for their living body, I should not be able to dictate how this family deals with a dead one.

Of course you tell people how to live their lives. That's one of the fundamental things about your profession--education and prevention. You can't make them change, but you can make recommendations based on evidence.

Why in the world would Jahi's family be allowed to do what they want with her body? Aside from things like infectious disease risk, are you really saying that if a family wanted to keep grandma's body in the fridge instead of burying her or put sixth cousin Eddie's head on a pike in the front yard for 10 years because he was something of an ******* that this is acceptable behavior?

At some point, the health of Jahi's family and healthcare providers are going to be put in jeopardy by an infectious, decomposing body. Just like you take precautions with the living who are infected, you take precautions with the dead. In this society, you bury or cremate the dead for the safety and health of the living.

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OrganizedChaos has 10 years experience as a LVN and works as a LVN.

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The hospital had many people inform the family about what was going on with Jahi. I understand it would be hard to deal but going to this length is sick. Go into the news forum & you'll see there are other children who pass away due to unforeseen circumstances. None of them have the notoriety as this case. None of them are asking for money. Ugh.

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EaglesWings21 works as a RN.

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One of the arguments I keep reading about is that people say how can this girl be dead if her heart is still beating? I think there needs to be more education provided to the family as to why this is so. The heart will continue to beat for a short period of time if still beating when removed from the body.

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Wrong use of there, their, they're!!! aghh

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KRVRN works as a Level III NICU.

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Yes they are entitled to deal with loss in their own way. No, people don't grieve the same and no, none of us can relate unless we've been in that situation. But the sensationalism...they brought that on, on purpose. You don't blab to the media and then expect no response from the public. That's WHY you tell the media. They've said terrible things about the hospital and the staff. Many of us here believe them to be half-truths because so much of what they say is not possible. Lies, some of it. I think that's where a lot of the anger originates. Throw in the greed, the precedent-setting and the drain on the tax payers for futile reasons and you get anger. I'm sure it started with a desparate mom not wanting to let go of her daughter, but it has morphed into something different.

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They lawyers up so fast it gave me whiplash. What about this family doesn't scream money hungry?

how is this new to healthcare?

II bet a good chunk of change that family isn't gonna use that gofundme account for Jahi, but for their own use. They probably expect someone else to take care of the bills.

frankly, I find comments like these rather racist. Neither you or I can know the motivation behind this family's choices. Don't make them criminals for asking for help when the do not have the financial abilities you or I may or may not have. I don't agree with their choice here, but it is not mine to make

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OrganizedChaos has 10 years experience as a LVN and works as a LVN.

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how is this new to healthcare? I'II bet a good chunk of change that family isn't gonna use that gofundme account for Jahi' date=' but for their own use. They probably expect someone else to take care of the bills.frankly, I find comments like these rather racist. Neither you or I can know the motivation behind this family's choices. Don't make them criminals for asking for help when the do not have the financial abilities you or I may or may not have. I don't agree with their choice here, but it is not mine to make[/quote'] LMAO. Racists?! Did I ever mention their skin color?? I don't care what color their skin is! Black, white, yellow, orange, purple. Their actions are UNexcusable! No, I don't know their motives but setting up that account doesn't put a good taste in my mouth. And I don't have much money but the LAST thing I would do is set up an account people everywhere can donate to. They are manipulating people into donating. We don't know where Jahi is or if her heart gave out yet. Now all of a sudden they want privacy after they said horrible things about the hospital & cried to any newspaper or tv that would listen! Doesn't sound like a concerned family to me! If you worked where I have, you would be wondering WHY the families haven't lawyered up. That family didn't even wait for the dust to settle to go to the media or get a lawyer. I believe the facility & faculty did everything in their power to help Jahi. The bullcrap the family talks about the hospital is terrible. Everyone who worked there or was a visitor had to deal with the media circus THEY started.

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One of the arguments I keep reading about is that people say how can this girl be dead if her heart is still beating? I think there needs to be more education provided to the family as to why this is so. The heart will continue to beat for a short period of time if still beating when removed from the body.

I found this six minute youtube video that was very informative and presented brain death in an easily understandable manner.

I especially like the visual demonstration on how the swelling of the brain ultimately occludes blood flow to the brain. For me, it sharpened the clinical picture of what happened to Jahi McMath. She coded and, during that time, her brain was deprived of O2. Brain cells died, causing necrosis and triggering the inflammatory/immune process, which caused her brain to swell. The swelling, unfortunately, occluded further blood flow to her brain even after ROSC and, sadly, as a result she suffered complete brain death.

I've been a nurse for less than a year and yet, being in the ED, I've already witnessed a number of code blues. So far, I haven't seen a single one survive.

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Mommy&RN has 6+ years experience and works as a RN.

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how is this new to healthcare? frankly' date=' I find comments like these rather racist. Neither you or I can know the motivation behind this family's choices. Don't make them criminals for asking for help when the do not have the financial abilities you or I may or may not have. I don't agree with their choice here, but it is not mine to make[/quote']

Fellow healthcare provider, your profile states you are pre-nursing, so what type of healthcare are you providing?

Did you really pull the race card? Really???

The go fund me account was to raise funds for air transport. Has her body been air lifted anywhere? If not, then fraud.

As her remains are a biohazard. As her remains continue to decompose, there will be more liquified remains.

Uncle Omari calling $250,000 "chump change" kinda puts the "looking for $$$" spin on the tragic DEATH of a 13 year old child.

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I'm curious to know how any of this is racist? Because someone said they're doing this for money? Because they may or may not be wrong and possibly ignorant? Racist toward what race? Black? I'm black and I'm not offended. Yet, I'm educated so Nevermind.

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OrganizedChaos has 10 years experience as a LVN and works as a LVN.

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I'm curious to know how any of this is racist? Because someone said they're doing this for money? Because they may or may not be wrong and possibly ignorant? Racist toward what race? Black? I'm black and I'm not offended. Yet' date=' I'm educated so Nevermind.[/quote']

LMAO! I wish I could like this post!

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Has anyone said where Jahi was taken?

I also wonder where the body is right now. I've had an opportunity to care for a deceased pt d/t brain-death and she was an organ donor. Also, no! You do not pull the plug on organ donors (until after surgery). So many people think that the hospital wanted to pull because they wanted Jahi’s organs. Vent stays on. Organ donors receive VERY GOOD CARE, and that is an understatement. In my experience: 1-2 RNs/pt (hospital RN and RN sent from donation center), RT to manage vent, vitals q5mins, art line, triple lumen central line, hemodynamic monitoring (regular icu monitor a long with vigileo), NS running constantly, gtts titrate to keep MAP >65 or 75 (of course, vasopressin was given d/t diabetes insipidus), bear hugger... Anyway, my point is, it is very difficult and taxing to keep a cadaver "in good shape", even in the ICU with top of the line care. Outside of the ICU, her body is not doing great right now, and that is also a huge understatement.

Also, please do not inject race into this.

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