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EaglesWings21 is a ASN, RN and specializes in Medical Surgical.

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My family needs me to be a millionaire. I think I'll set up a donation account. This shall now be my reality...

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What is wrong with letting the family maintain life support using their own financial means' date=' as they appear to be doing? Jahi is dead, so she is experiencing no discomfort. You can't live forever without a brain. Her death will come and her family will be able to feel they did everything they could to give her the chance to recover. It is no longer about Jahi now, but about her family's needs. Who are you to say what is in their best interest and try to force it down their throats?[/quote']

I highly doubt they are using their own financial means (as in paying out of pocket) for her care. Unless they are rich, her care is well beyond what most of us could afford. If insurance is paying for her care, THAT would be a miracle.

It is NOT just about the family's needs at this point. The family and their attorney have decided to try and make this a precedent setting case that will allow families to determine when a loved one is actually dead. The family and attorney kept promoting public opinion and support by using social media and the press for their cause. THEY invited public support and asked for financial help forcing their opinions about the hospital and staff on the public. For them to think that public opinion can't go both ways is just wrong. No one is forcing anything down their throats.

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I doubt a family dealing with the impending death of a child has money and notoriety as their prime motivator in this situation. I see this as a family who felt they needed to make as much noise as possible to facilitate the continuation of perceived life-sustaining care. I'll let you be the judge of their success.

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I truly hope that there was not licensed medical professionals that actually placed tubes. This is a horror movie.

It is a horror story, but, whoever put in those tubes has nothing to worry about legally. Even in cases of funeral homes that don't really incinerate bodies and leave them to rot somewhere, there's usually no jail time. Just fines from what I've heard ( there was a case near me when I was a teenager). And, the mother took responsibility, so if she allowed procedures on a body, well, no problem then.

Although I wonder how the medical board would look at a clinician that performed futile procedures on a dead body?

Many interesting questions, both ethical and legal.

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I doubt a family dealing with the impending death of a child has money and notoriety as their prime motivator in this situation. I see this as a family who felt they needed to make as much noise as possible to facilitate the continuation of perceived life-sustaining care. I'll let you be the judge of their success.

There is nothing impending about this death. She is dead. She has been dead for almost a month.

I think money is absolutely a motivator. How else do you explain the gofundme account and the fact that the family has fallen off the radar but the account is open? If Jahi really is recovering, where is the photographic/videographic evidence? No, this family has moved from baseline grieving into something much more disturbing....and lucrative, for that matter.

Perhaps they were honest in their intentions when they first initiated this firestorm, but I do not believe that they understand the very evidence they're challenging, nor do they care at this point. Uncle especially is seeing dollar signs. Somewhere down the way, they lost sight of what was important--respecting the life and corpse of their deceased relative.

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Has anyone said where Jahi was taken?

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What is wrong with letting the family maintain life support using their own financial means, as they appear to be doing? Jahi is dead, so she is experiencing no discomfort. You can't live forever without a brain. Her death will come and her family will be able to feel they did everything they could to give her the chance to recover. It is no longer about Jahi now, but about her family's needs. Who are you to say what is in their best interest and try to force it down their throats?

Ummm...it's unethical and, I would say, fraudulent in that this family is leading people to believe that Jahi's cadaver is doing well to increase donations from those that don't know any better. Also, just because Jahi is no longer alive, doesn't mean that the family can do as they please to her body. It has to do with ethics as well as the law. As a health care professional, you step in when the interest of the patient or the late patient, is being overlooked, doesn't matter the reason (ignorant, greed, selfishness, psych issues...).

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There is nothing impending about this death. She is dead. She has been dead for almost a month.

you will get no argument from me on this point. She is a corpse with a beating heart. I just don't get the excessive anger and negative energy directed at this family who is dealing with loss in their own way. People in pain don't always conform to our view of the correct way to grieve. If donations are being offered by those not connected intimately to this case and those funds are maintaining her body functions for the near future, why is that so problematic for some? Why are we so afraid of discussion about brain death/withdraw of support? All this media attention will have some positive results. How many people hearing about this story will say to their loved ones, "don't let me hang on like that. Donate my organs if I am every in a similar situation."

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you will get no argument from me on this point. She is a corpse with a beating heart. I just don't get the excessive anger and negative energy directed at this family who is dealing with loss in their own way. People in pain don't always conform to our view of the correct way to grieve. If donations are being offered by those not connected intimately to this case and those funds are maintaining her body functions for the near future, why is that so problematic for some? Why are we so afraid of discussion about brain death/withdraw of support? All this media attention will have some positive results. How many people hearing about this story will say to their loved ones, "don't let me hang on like that. Donate my organs if I am every in a similar situation."

It's problematic because it's fraud. Plain and simple. If Jahi's family were asking for money for the funeral, that'd be one thing. But they're still telling the public that Jahi is improving.

It's perpetuating the dangerous and unethical idea that a body can be maintained indefinitely as long as you're financially able, which they clearly are not as they're still accepting donations from any sucker with a bank account.

I don't see anyone here who is afraid of discussing withdrawal of life support. If you'd like to discuss it further, you're talking to an oncology nurse who occasionally dealt with end-of-life care for Soldiers, Sailors and Marines who were wounded/discovered to be ill downrange. I have developed a frightening level of comfort with death and dying, even in young populations. The problem is that the public at large isn't comfortable with death. It's a cultural problem and it leads to further problems... like this one.

I'd be inclined to agree that this scenario may be beneficial were it being framed in a different light. If, for instance, the story about Sanaz Nezami were in the public limelight and we were being given factual information by the press about brain death and organ donation while the story about Jahi was just some brief blip about a crazy, grieving family that couldn't let go? Sure. Let's talk.

But this story--with the misrepresentation of facts across the board and the outrageous, erroneous "journalism" by almost every news media outlet in the nation? It's sickening.

There are some folks who will see through the crap, but overall, this does a disservice to medical professionals everywhere and takes the education of our nation as a whole regarding end of life care and death back to the stone ages. It is a gross distortion of medicine, religion and culture, all tied up in a slowly necrotizing handbag. There is no dignity here.

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As a health care professional, you step in when the interest of the patient or the late patient, is being overlooked

As fellow health care professional, I feel my advocacy skills would be better directed at improving the care of the living rather than on focusing on the care of a dead body or preventing a family from dealing with their grief in the manner they chose. Just as it is not my job to tell someone how they must care for their living body, I should not be able to dictate how this family deals with a dead one.

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you will get no argument from me on this point. She is a corpse with a beating heart. I just don't get the excessive anger and negative energy directed at this family who is dealing with loss in their own way. People in pain don't always conform to our view of the correct way to grieve. If donations are being offered by those not connected intimately to this case and those funds are maintaining her body functions for the near future' date=' why is that so problematic for some? Why are we so afraid of discussion about brain death/withdraw of support? All this media attention will have some positive results. How many people hearing about this story will say to their loved ones, "don't let me hang on like that. Donate my organs if I am every in a similar situation."[/quote']

Really? What other family do you see promoting their child's death like them? Or setting up an account so people everywhere can donate. They lawyers up so fast it gave me whiplash. What about this family doesn't scream money hungry? If insurance WAS paying for Jahi, it probably stopped the day she was declared brain dead. I bet a good chunk of change that family isn't gonna use that gofundme account for Jahi, but for their own use. The probably expect someone else to take care of the bills. Now the lawyer wants to enact a bill that says the FAMILY gets to decide when a family member is actually dead, how is that good? I understand people grieve differently but this is taking it waay too far. They had very public legal battles & have done nothing to show they love or respect Jahi. I could almost understand taking her home until her heart stopped, but taking her to a facility to have a vent & trach put in? Then they hope for a miracle? At this point the attorney is just putting more news out there to get more money. If *I* was going through this, the last place I would go is running to the media. I would need my time & space to grieve. No one expected her to pass, it wasn't impending. They are mutilating her corpse, it's a terrible way to let her rest & remember her.

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There is nothing impending about this death. She is dead. She has been dead for almost a month.

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This is hard. I don't judge the family especially after reading about the cultural and religious issues going on here.

To see your daughter, warm and with her heart beating . . .that is difficult for any family. I'm not going to judge them.

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