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EaglesWings21 is a ASN, RN and specializes in Medical Surgical.

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FLAlleycat has 30 years experience and specializes in L&D, Women's Health.

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Some years ago I was involved in a case where the outcome hit papers all over the world. The nurses, doctors, and hospital were horrifically attacked by anyone who could type a comment . . . really nasty, cruel comments, not to mention many excessively stupid comments. Even on this board and on other nursing boards the questions were "why didn't they .. . .", "what kind of nurses . . . ?", etc. Of course, the hospital and staff were/are bound by HIPPA. The ONLY news reports were those issued by the family, whose memory of events/sequence in such a stressful time was far from intact, or family lawyers. It hurt like hell to read the comments and not be able to respond. We were not negligent nor liable, but that did not make the news. So, PLEASE, when you start blaming the nurses/doctors/hospital when you have absolutely NO INSIDE knowledge, forgive me but please just shut the hell up! I applaud those of you who recognize we're getting only one side and have instead empathized with the family rather than hurl insulting comments.

Alley

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Sun0408 has 4 years experience as a ASN, RN and specializes in Trauma Surgical ICU.

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Kinda sounds like they were expecting complications wanting her to go to the ICU, from my understanding the ICU was pre-planned. I can't see any nursing staff ignoring the bleeding the family claim. We don't know the details, true, but something must have happened to prevent her from going back to the OR ASAP.

Sad all the way around.

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EaglesWings21 is a ASN, RN and specializes in Medical Surgical.

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I know the media misconstrues facts, but from this article: Girl had fears before tonsil surgery that left her brain dead - CBS News it says the girl was bleeding for hours before going into cardiac arrest. Is it not fathomable that she was not being properly assessed and the bleeding was caught too late?

Also I know you nurses on here are smart and I learn a lot from reading your posts, but I am sure that you have met or worked with a nurse or two that made you wonder how they even got their license. So maybe a nurse really did not know whether this bleeding was normal or not. Or like somebody else said, maybe the family thought that anyone coming into the room with scrubs on was a nurse.

There are a lot of unknowns and what-ifs. I pray for her family and those affected by this. It is such a hard time of year to lose someone you love, especially a child. I just read that the girl died who was shot in that school shooting in Colorado. I cannot imagine what these parents are going through right now and hope I will never have to.

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OrganizedChaos has 10 years experience as a LVN and specializes in M/S, LTC, Corrections, PDN & drug rehab.

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I know we don't have a full story but everyone is entitled to their opinion, like it or not. If she had complications before surgery they should've kept an extra eye on her. Plus the comments from the hospital aren't that comforting either.

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EaglesWings21 is a ASN, RN and specializes in Medical Surgical.

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Some years ago I was involved in a case where the outcome hit papers all over the world. The nurses, doctors, and hospital were horrifically attacked by anyone who could type a comment . . . really nasty, cruel comments, not to mention many excessively stupid comments. Even on this board and on other nursing boards the questions were "why didn't they .. . .", "what kind of nurses . . . ?", etc. Of course, the hospital and staff were/are bound by HIPPA. The ONLY news reports were those issued by the family, whose memory of events/sequence in such a stressful time was far from intact, or family lawyers. It hurt like hell to read the comments and not be able to respond. We were not negligent nor liable, but that did not make the news. So, PLEASE, when you start blaming the nurses/doctors/hospital when you have absolutely NO INSIDE knowledge, forgive me but please just shut the hell up! I applaud those of you who recognize we're getting only one side and have instead empathized with the family rather than hurl insulting comments.

Alley

I hope you don't think I am accusing the health care staff of doing something wrong. There are two sides to every story and their side is being untold. I am only saying that people do make mistakes.

I posted this to get a more in depth understanding of what went on with this poor girl from experienced nurses.

You comment was kind of unnecessary.

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better wording

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KelRN215 has 10 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in Pedi.

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I know the media misconstrues facts, but from this article: Girl had fears before tonsil surgery that left her brain dead - CBS News it says the girl was bleeding for hours before going into cardiac arrest. Is it not fathomable that she was not being properly assessed and the bleeding was caught too late?

Also I know you nurses on here are smart and I learn a lot from reading your posts, but I am sure that you have met or worked with a nurse or two that made you wonder how they even got their license. So maybe a nurse really did not know whether this bleeding was normal or not. Or like somebody else said, maybe the family thought that anyone coming into the room with scrubs on was a nurse.

There are a lot of unknowns and what-ifs. I pray for her family and those affected by this. It is such a hard time of year to lose someone you love, especially a child. I just read that the girl died who was shot in that school shooting in Colorado. I cannot imagine what these parents are going through right now and hope I will never have to.

And the other article says she was being given blood transfusions. In an ICU environment, especially in the immediate post-op environment, patients are being monitored very closely. If she was "bleeding profusely from her mouth and her nose", no I don't think it's possible that the bleeding wasn't noticed. They were transfusing her so obviously they were acting. As I said, the surgeons are probably the only ones who know why she was not taken back to the OR. The hospital has said that there is more to this story but they are unable to openly discuss it.

Stories like this that play out in the media one-sided are very frustrating. There is a very high profile case going on in my former hospital right now and the media coverage has been so biased it's unbelievable. I have no first-hand knowledge of that case but knowing the people who were involved and having worked at that hospital for 5 years, I KNOW that things didn't happen the way the parents reported them to the media.

And, no, I've never worked with a nurse who I wondered how she got her license.

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I hope you don't think I am accusing the health care staff of doing something wrong.

You have, and continue to do so.

There are two sides to every story and their side is being untold. I am only saying that people do make mistakes.

This is true. However, in a previous post you stated that you had already formed an opinion based upon another article that you have read.

FLAlleycat has given you excellent advice. I hope it never happens to you, but until you work for a hospital or unit in which something like this occurs, you have no idea how hurtful that these unfounded comments can be.

Come back after you have walked in one of these nurses shoes.

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EaglesWings21 is a ASN, RN and specializes in Medical Surgical.

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I have seen some sketchy things in my short stretch of time I've spent at the hospitals as a student. I will also admit as seen in another post on this that the media did help to formulate my opinion, but with more experienced people explaining the circumstance I see it through a wider lens.

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EaglesWings21 is a ASN, RN and specializes in Medical Surgical.

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I have posted my thoughts on this. It was not an accusation and obviously I am searching for the opinions of those with more experience. i am sorry that you mistook my posts for accusations that weren't intended to be and I will no longer go back and forth about it because I have explained myself, unnecessarily.

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LadyFree28 has 10 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in Pediatrics, Rehab, Trauma.

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And the other article says she was being given blood transfusions. In an ICU environment, especially in the immediate post-op environment, patients are being monitored very closely. If she was "bleeding profusely from her mouth and her nose", no I don't think it's possible that the bleeding wasn't noticed. They were transfusing her so obviously they were acting.

As I said, the surgeons are probably the only ones who know why she was not taken back to the OR. The hospital has said that there is more to this story but they are unable to openly discuss it. Stories like this that play out in the media one-sided are very frustrating.

There is a very high profile case going on in my former hospital right now and the media coverage has been so biased it's unbelievable. I have no first-hand knowledge of that case but knowing the people who were involved and having worked at that hospital for 5 years, I KNOW that things didn't happen the way the parents reported them to the media. And, no, I've never worked with a nurse who I wondered how she got her license.

I second THIS.

I have never worked with a nurse who wondered how he or she got their license, understood their rationale maybe based on past experiences or limited experience, but nothing to the point of something to take of pause; and I say that about everyone on the healthcare team that I have worked with.

We will NEVER know why was done due to HIPPA; what I saw in the article posted was the healthcare team intervening to correct or further prevent complications; and the reality is that they did they best that they could.

And people who have no healthcare experience have NO IDEA the rationales of what we do; a double edge sword that keeps us in business while having the risk of trying to put us out if it.

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wtbcrna is a MSN, DNP, CRNA and specializes in Anesthesia.

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Res ispa loquitor Res Ipsa Loquitur | LII / Legal Information Institute "the act speaks for itself".The hospital and probably the ENT physician have already lost this case. The details are all that remain. In many larger hospitals the trend is to admit something went wrong, offer condolences, the facts about the case to the family, and offer a reasonable/large settlement right away.

FYI: OSA is common diagnosis for Tonsillectomies no matter the age.

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FLAlleycat has 30 years experience and specializes in L&D, Women's Health.

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I would not have commented if I felt it unnecessary. It was not particularly directed toward anyone but more in an effort to thwart early in the thread any amazingly cruel innuendos, suggestions, and comments that I and my peers endured from OUR peers who took CBS News or whatever one-sided story was available as fact. It hurt deeply. I'm glad to see this thread is not headed, so far, in that direction. Sorry you took it personal.

Alley

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