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EaglesWings21 is a ASN, RN and specializes in Medical Surgical.

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OrganizedChaos has 10 years experience as a LVN and specializes in M/S, LTC, Corrections, PDN & drug rehab.

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This makes me want to leave nursing. I just can't stop shaking my head.

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imintrouble has 16 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in LTC Rehab Med/Surg.

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The simplest answer is usually the right one.

Fifteen minutes of fame.

I can think of no other reason to prolong everybody's suffering.

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What the lawyer is doing is for himself. He thinks that if he extends the pain and suffering the family is going through he will get a bigger part of any judgement. He could care less about Jahi.

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KRVRN is a BSN, RN and specializes in NICU.

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He's probably referring to Dr. Paul Byrne. He claimed "Jahi is not dead" on his website, I think it was renewamerica.com.

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sofla98 has 14 years experience and specializes in Peds, PICU, NICU, CICU, ICU, M/S, OHS....

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I think it's unfair to judge the level of a parent's grief by how their makeup and nails and clothes look. Everyone handles grief differently.

Excuse me, but I was not JUDGING, I stated how I would probably be/feel if that was my precious daughter...I would not be in any shape to be shown on TV station after TV station, interview after interview. Any my hair and nails would be a mess and I certainly wouldn't be wearing a face full of make up. That's me though. Maybe her mother's priorities are different than mine.

Like I said before, I do feel terrible for the family, but I am also a realist and can read people and their intentions VERY well. Call it psychic or just years of being a nurse, regardless I have seen grief from all sorts of people and from all walks of life and I have never seen someone be able to pull themselves together like this, and so frequently, period. I feel that this has become about the proverbial payday at that'll no doubt be given out by this hospital, the surgeons malpractice insurance company, and who ever else this lawyer decides to sue.

At this point I honestly DO NOT feel that this family, the uncle, and especially the lawyer have this girls best interests at heart. Have you ever cared for a brain dead child on a vent? It is a horrible thing to do...Eyes open and rolling all over, limp as can be, no reflexes, NOTHING is there. Jahi, for all intents and purposes, is GONE. She has already passed. It disgusts me that after six physicians and the courts this family is STILL pushing for her to be kept going on the vent and probably meds/pressors. For what? A miracle that is probably NEVER going to happen?

I wish to God we could hear the hospital's and nurses's side of this story. What really happened.

In all my years of being a nurse, I have taken care of ONE patient, ONE ADULT patient, who had this VERY invasive surgery for obstructive sleep apnea (and no, it wasn't JUST a ROUTINE tonsillectomy, btw). I'd bet any amount of money the ENT first suggested a trach so she could go on the vent at night, bypassing the obstructed airway. But, people have such a stigma when it comes to trachs. Myself, I love them. They're a nice and stable airway, all the time. Anyhow, I hope we, the public and medical professionals the world over, are able to learn what really happened.

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Penelope_Pitstop has 13 years experience as a BSN, RN.

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The thing is, the family keeps talking about praying and hoping for a miracle.

It strikes me that if there's to be a miraculous recovery/resurrection, that it would happen irrespective of the presence of the ET tube and ventilator.

Pull the tube and she'll either breathe or not... there will be a miracle or there won't be...

I hadn't thought of that. I'm a Christian and I *do* believe in miracles (although I was raised by ridiculously rational humanistic folk so I roll my eyes at myself sometimes) but you are right...if God wants this young lady here, He will make it so, and not with technology!

My question is, what is wrong with this judge? There have been, by my count, no less than SEVEN physicians who have determined that this young woman is deceased. Even if there may or may not be a pediatrician who claims she is alive, who knows if he is completely senile or received his degree from Sally Struthers.

I still want to know how *not* discontinuing life support was even an option. I reviewed my healthcare system's policy just out of curiosity and it states that the physician who makes the final determination of brain death is the one who must discontinue life support. I doubt that's every hospital's procedure, but I am sure there is one in place at this hospital. So...what happened here?

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I hadn't thought of that. I'm a Christian and I *do* believe in miracles (although I was raised by ridiculously rational humanistic folk so I roll my eyes at myself sometimes) but you are right...if God wants this young lady here' date=' He will make it so, and not with technology! My question is, what is wrong with this judge? There have been, by my count, no less than SEVEN physicians who have determined that this young woman is deceased. Even if there may or may not be a pediatrician who claims she is alive, who knows if he is completely senile or received his degree from Sally Struthers. I still want to know how *not* discontinuing life support was even an option. I reviewed my healthcare system's policy just out of curiosity and it states that the physician who makes the final determination of brain death is the one who must discontinue life support. I doubt that's every hospital's procedure, but I am sure there is one in place at this hospital. So...what happened here?[/quote']

The family lawyered up and after calling 100s (I think I read mom saying that somewhere) of attorneys, found someone to take the case and got a restraining order on the hospital. It is evidently now a right for a dead person not to die.

Throw any policy or procedure out the window because it's the battle of the attorneys now. Mix that with an unhealthy dose of a terribly uninformed public, media hype, and raw emotion and anger from the family and you have the makings of a truly sad mess that just keeps going.

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Excuse me, but I was not JUDGING, I stated how I would probably be/feel if that was my precious daughter...I would not be in any shape to be shown on TV station after TV station, interview after interview. Any my hair and nails would be a mess and I certainly wouldn't be wearing a face full of make up. That's me though. Maybe her mother's priorities are different than mine. .

I think that is judging the mother's motivations. Who says a person who is grieving wouldn't take a shower? Dry their hair? Put on makeup?

I've taken grief classes and we are told to never judge how a person grieves. Everyone is different. There is NO textbook that explains the "right" way to grieve.

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Nurse Leigh specializes in Telemetry.

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This whole situation is frustrating, maddening, and devastating. Right now I am wondering how the judge came to this decision. Is there some precedent for this or is the judge making an emotional decision? It is frustrating how so many lay people have so little grasp of what brain death actually is. A terrible situation all around.

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I just wanted to add that I was the one who had to convince my family that our father was brain dead after having surgery and then having a heart attack. I was the one who told the physician to turn off the BP meds keeping my dad alive.

So I know how this feels. But I just don't think it is fair to judge the mom who doesn't want to let her little girl go. As a mom, I can certainly understand her dilemma.

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Caffeine_IV has 7 years experience and specializes in LTC, med/surg, hospice.

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What reputable facility will accept a deceased patient? What physician would agree to oversee her care? How would insurance cover care when you can barely get them to cover necessary care and meds?

They are grieving and I have sympathy because this was sudden and tragic but many families lose babies and children (suddenly and tragically) and do not receive special treatment.

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Excuse me' date=' but I was not JUDGING, I stated how I would probably be/feel if that was my precious daughter...I would not be in any shape to be shown on TV station after TV station, interview after interview. Any my hair and nails would be a mess and I certainly wouldn't be wearing a face full of make up. That's me though. Maybe her mother's priorities are different than mine. Like I said before, I do feel terrible for the family, but I am also a realist and can read people and their intentions VERY well. Call it psychic or just years of being a nurse, regardless I have seen grief from all sorts of people and from all walks of life and I have never seen someone be able to pull themselves together like this, and so frequently, period. I feel that this has become about the proverbial payday at that'll no doubt be given out by this hospital, the surgeons malpractice insurance company, and who ever else this lawyer decides to sue. At this point I honestly DO NOT feel that this family, the uncle, and especially the lawyer have this girls best interests at heart. Have you ever cared for a brain dead child on a vent? It is a horrible thing to do...Eyes open and rolling all over, limp as can be, no reflexes, NOTHING is there. Jahi, for all intents and purposes, is GONE. She has already passed. It disgusts me that after six physicians and the courts this family is STILL pushing for her to be kept going on the vent and probably meds/pressors. For what? A miracle that is probably NEVER going to happen? I wish to God we could hear the hospital's and nurses's side of this story. What really happened. In all my years of being a nurse, I have taken care of ONE patient, ONE ADULT patient, who had this VERY invasive surgery for obstructive sleep apnea (and no, it wasn't JUST a ROUTINE tonsillectomy, btw). I'd bet any amount of money the ENT first suggested a trach so she could go on the vent at night, bypassing the obstructed airway. But, people have such a stigma when it comes to trachs. Myself, I love them. They're a nice and stable airway, all the time. Anyhow, I hope we, the public and medical professionals the world over, are able to learn what really happened.[/quote'] And it seemed like you judged again in your second paragraph. Lmao I was told to make the decision to pull the plug on my mother. I was only 25 and my sister 19. Doctors declared her brain dead. I wasn't a nurse then, but I saw her body twitch here and there and she was warm also. I felt she was still in there too. Unfortunately and thank god, she died before I could make the decision. Everyone saying ad nauseum 'she's brain dead my goodness!' Over and over is easy for us to say because we are nurses. This mother is obviously distraught and not thinking straight. She doesn't want to come to terms with it. Hopefully jahi transitions on her own and soon. I couldn't imagine seeing my child that way. Everyone grieves differently. Even as a nurse if that was my child, it would take me a minute to snap into nurse mode. I'm a mother first, and I can feel her pain.

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