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Girl Brain Dead after Tonsillectomy

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EaglesWings21 is a ASN, RN and specializes in Medical Surgical.

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Caffeine_IV has 7 years experience and specializes in LTC, med/surg, hospice.

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Can someone, anyone, tell me what the actual **** CIVIL RIGHTS has to do with this? What a mess...This lawyer needs to stop looking for the eventual payday, book deal, and the inevitable Lifetime movie deal.

This is just SO sick to me, all of it. I'm praying for that girl to pass on, all the way on, on her own.

Can any of you imagine being her nurse? Jesus, strengthen them, all of them. The residents, fellows, and attending MD's too. This is SO out of control!

I think they are grasping at straws with the civil rights bit. It is hard to believe any facility would want to be involved in this whole thing at all. I believe in God and prayer. Sometimes His answer is NO.

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Rose_Queen is a BSN, MSN, RN and specializes in OR, education.

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Can any of you imagine being her nurse?

Kind of makes me wonder how many nurses have refused to be the nurse caring for this shell. Surely being watched like a hawk by the family, emotional burnout, fears of being sued, etc.

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My guess is this case will eventually end up being settled out of court with a gag order on the parents because it will be cheaper to buy them out than risk a lay jury buying into all of the media hype. We will likely never know the real story. It appears mom is not dealing with reality and much of her story doesn't add up with other facts we know. The hospital can't release their side of the story due to HIPAA. Whether someone was at fault or this child had a rare, unexpected complication, we may never know.

Either way, this is a very sad case. There will be no winners in a case like this. Everyone involved in this child's care must be under an immense amount of stress right now. Hopefully it will be over soon.

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KRVRN is a BSN, RN and specializes in NICU.

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I really do wish we could hear the hospital's side of it. I bet the staff were much more on top of things then the family realizes. ICU nurses are very good at appearing calm despite feeling a huge sense of urgency. Mom asks about all the blood... How many of us would think carefully about our answer? Sometimes I think twice before giving an answer because it could very quickly get me down a line of questioning I'm not able to answer. I might sidestep the question to let the doctor answer it. Maybe another nurse called the doctor for the bedside nurse. Would Mom think no one had called because she didn't actually see her call? How often do doctors or surgeons act a bit passive aggressive and take their time coming to the bedside when we call? I doubt the nurses were la-dee-dah about it and I doubt the surgeon botched anything. So sad.

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Agree with the nurses merely "appearing" calm. In peds we look incompetent if we freak out for the parents, and like we don't care when we stay calm. Supposedly there's a middle ground, but when crap like this is going on, no matter what you do the parents take it in the worst way possible because they need someone to blame.

Mom says the hospital is deciding to "stop her breathing." God stopped that breathing. It STOPPED. It's just a machine pushing air now. NOT breathing.

Ugh.

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wtbcrna is a MSN, DNP, CRNA and specializes in Anesthesia.

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Press Release - Study Finds Medical Procedures Violating the Civil Rights of People with Disabilities

"Washington, DC – In a first of its kind study, the National Disability Rights Network (NDRN) determined that performing certain medical procedures or withholding life sustaining treatment in non-terminal situations without judicial review violates the civil rights of people with disabilities. "

I think this is what the family's lawyer is trying for by filing a federal civil rights case. It seems like it is nothing but grasping at straws.

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Certainly grasping at straws since dead is not disabled. There is a BIG difference!

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wtbcrna is a MSN, DNP, CRNA and specializes in Anesthesia.

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Certainly grasping at straws since dead is not disabled. There is a BIG difference!

You are trying to make logic out of the legal system and that is a true oxymoron.

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KelRN215 has 10 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in Pedi.

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Press Release - Study Finds Medical Procedures Violating the Civil Rights of People with Disabilities

"Washington, DC – In a first of its kind study, the National Disability Rights Network (NDRN) determined that performing certain medical procedures or withholding life sustaining treatment in non-terminal situations without judicial review violates the civil rights of people with disabilities. "

I think this is what the family's lawyer is trying for by filing a federal civil rights case. It seems like it is nothing but grasping at straws.

What a waste of time and effort to try to make this child's situation fit within the situations described in this article. "Withholding life sustaining treatment in non-terminal situations...violates the rights of people with disabilities." Jahi is NOT disabled, she is dead and her situation is light-years beyond "terminal". She died 3 weeks ago. This lawyer is seriously grasping at straws. I sincerely hope that this is all over tomorrow.

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klone has 13 years experience as a MSN, RN and specializes in Women's Health/OB Leadership.

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The countless press conferences, interviews and appearances on the news, with nails and makeup flawless, is just disgusting to me. Thought this was about their precious baby Jahi? Not momma and daddy on every freaking news channel, newspaper, and website out there! If that was my kid? If I was on the news, after facing so much grief and the loss of my child? I'd look a mess! I would not have my hair and nails done, wearing custom tee shirts with different slogans; that's FOR SURE.

I think it's unfair to judge the level of a parent's grief by how their makeup and nails and clothes look. Everyone handles grief differently.

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Can someone, anyone, tell me what the actual **** CIVIL RIGHTS has to do with this? What a mess...This lawyer needs to stop looking for the eventual payday, book deal, and the inevitable Lifetime movie deal.

This is just SO sick to me, all of it. I'm praying for that girl to pass on, all the way on, on her own.

Can any of you imagine being her nurse? Jesus, strengthen them, all of them. The residents, fellows, and attending MD's too. This is SO out of control!

My thoughts exactly. The staff at the receiving facility need our thoughts and prayers. This is going to be a waking nightmare for them. Honestly, I would be tempted to look for another job; between the family in acute denial, the tragic condition of the child and the media circus, I would want to work somewhere where I wouldn't have to risk being accused of being derelict in my care.

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KelRN215 has 10 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in Pedi.

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Now the second place in California that had "agreed" to accept her has backed out and a facility in New York is their "only hope". I can't imagine the legal nightmares involved in transporting a corpse- which remains on a ventilator- 3,000 miles across the country. CHO has also not agreed (rightfully so) to do surgery for either a trach or a G-tube.

And, what of this facility in New York? Children who are not brain dead who require chronic vents, trachs, etc are typically on Medicaid in my state. She's not a resident of New York so won't qualify for its Medicaid and, if she's on California's Medicaid, it likely won't pay for long-term care out of state. I don't think any insurance is going to pay for this case, regardless, though since she was declared dead 3 weeks ago. I sincerely doubt that any of these facilities ever really accepted her- the family probably contacted them with an incomplete story and left out the fact that six different physicians have concluded that she is brain dead and that they have no way to pay for her care. Long term care facilities are not emergency rooms... they do not have to accept anyone who shows up, regardless of their ability to pay.

Jahi McMath: New York facility is 'last hope' for girl declared brain dead, family say - U.S. News

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