the neverending med pass

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I work 7p-7a and the 8p med pass went beyond being ridiculous a long time ago. Amidst the regular falls, elopement attempts, fighting (yes fighting), irate family members, and calling the MD routinely for the multitudes of problems every night, the med pass is often running over into 3rd shift.

I've worked LTC for a number of years now and while I don't think I'm super fast, I know that I can do my med pass as fast as most of the nurses I've worked with. I don't draw the meds up beforehand and I always work with the MAR. I do know the residents pretty well and know most of their meds so I'm not slowed down by that.

On weekdays there are two nurses to split the same med pass as I do alone on the weekend. They also have a supervisor in-house that can help with issues where we do not. I am the type of person who tries to do things "by the book" and this is really driving me batty because even on the very best of shifts there is no way I can complete this med pass within the required timeframe. I have made my frustrations and concerns with this known to the administration and have asked for help. They've told me they weren't aware that we were having these problems and would try to get some additional help at least for the hs med pass. So far nothing has happened, but I can't say I honestly believed that anything would. I really worry about what would happen if anything is ever said about the fact that some of my meds are late every night. I'm sure I'd be blamed, but I am doing the very best I can. I honestly don't believe it is possible to complete that med pass on time without some shady maneuvering.

I spent several years at one LTC that progressively deteriorated with revolving door management. I spent the last three years waiting on empty promises of improvements that were to be made. After I finally left I said I'd never waste my time with another job that made me miserable like that one did. Now here I am :rolleyes: and while I have a nice salary it isn't nearly enough to compensate. I'm thinking of leaving, but I worry about getting labeled as a job-hopper too.

Just a random thought, but tonight there were FOUR people making sandwiches at Subway. That just caused me to think about how messed up priorities have gotten. Subway has four sandwich makers and the

elderly share one frazzled nurse with up to 70 other people.

ugh.....I'm not even sure if this is a rant or vent or what.:uhoh3: I do apologize for the length though.:) Someone please tell me that there is at least one good LTC left out there.

I got a kick out of the responses because it is SO TRUE!! the med cart does feel like 200lbs and my feet feel as if they are going tofall off at the end of the shift. Thanks for making me laugh and it is good to know that we are all in the same boat. I am glad i am not the only one sick of LTC and nursing in general and i have only been in 4 yrs. dont know if i need a change in nursing or nix nursing all together. Good luck on your decision...

Specializes in Med-surg > LTC > HH >.
I got a kick out of the responses because it is SO TRUE!! the med cart does feel like 200lbs and my feet feel as if they are going tofall off at the end of the shift. Thanks for making me laugh and it is good to know that we are all in the same boat. I am glad i am not the only one sick of LTC and nursing in general and i have only been in 4 yrs. dont know if i need a change in nursing or nix nursing all together. Good luck on your decision...
That is unfortunantly exactly what I've been thinking. I an LPN of 4 yrs. ( I haven't even been working solid those 4 yrs.) and I'm thinking what have I got myself into????? I'm currently working toward my RN with excelsior and I'm wondering if I'm wasting my time, money, and memory. On the one hand I love being a nurse & on the other hand ir is soooooooooo mentally & phsically exhausting:uhoh3: to have soooooo much responsibility & excessive work in my 8 or 12 hr shift which is always more than 8 or 12 hrs.:clown: Wonder what the health care facilities will do when alot of us quit nursing ( I'll go back to doing hair) and the older nurse retiring, and schools unable to fulfill the needs with new grads. Maybe at that point they will be ready to work with us(nurses). Ofcourse at that point they will be a day late and a dollar short.:clown: Sorry to rant, I love nursing but it just wipes me out.:uhoh3:

Oh nightowl, I think we must work in the same place and pull the same 250lb. med cart. I have already been to doc with my shoulders, impingement syndrome bilaterally. Painful just doesn't begine to describe what I go through. I've done PT til I'm blue in the face. I wish the doc had to go 3X weekly and pay for it to do absolutely nothing. I eat naproxen sodium like m&m's. I can't get any rest at night if I don't. LTC what a joke. Anybody got any ideas on how to start making major changes in this crazy broken down system?

Hi, I have worked 20 yrs. total in LTC, 14 yrs in one & 6 1/2 yrs in the one I'm at now. I can relate to everything you said in your posts. My usual wing, with 44 beds, is between the self care wing & those who need the most care, O2, g-tubes, neb txs. This last wing has 44 beds, also, but that's where Medicare & skilled care is, so there are 2 nurses. My wing has just one nurse - my residents wander the most, fall the most, request prn's the most. I work 3-11, when, historically, there are more falls on that shift, d/t sundowners, & less staff around, res. are tired & want to go to bed right now ! ! ! This is the wing where they put the agency nurses when needed. Now I know agency nurses are great & do fill a need, but you can't tell me someone coming into a strange place, knowing no-one , is able to get everything done when even the regulars, like me, can't do it all. We've tried for a long time to have another nurse, even one to work 4=5 hrs, to do one of the med passes. Oh, this wing has TWO med carts, also. There are also a lot of treatments, often d/t those darn falls. I'm close to retirement, would like to work PT, maybe I could be that nurse?????? Thanks for letting me vent.

Good grief! ! ! I didn't know they show your age ! You can bet it won't be on my next post. :o

Specializes in Gerontological Nursing, Acute Rehab.

These are all the reasons why I left LTC nursing after 10 years.

I love the geriatric population. They are my people, and I love caring for them. However, like it's been stated, it's just a pill pushing fiasco anymore. These poor residents are put on up to 50 pills a day.....and all it does is make the pharmacutical companies richer. Why does a 90 year old need to be on 5 different vitamins??? Why are they on Aricept when it clearly isn't indicated. It was gotten way out of control, and it's all so the big wig companies can get rich. It's such a shame.

I currently work in an acute rehabilitation hospital. Today I had 7 patients, and a tech. Funny, it takes me just as long to give out meds to those 7 patients.....but I'm also doing patient care, and interacting with them, doing assessments, etc.....instead of just pushing a cup filled to the brim with meds in their mouth. I really enjoy it.

I am not bashing LTC nurses.....I was one for 10 years. I'm bashing the system.....you just can't do the type of nursing you want to. We really need to learn as a society how to treat our elderly.

JMHO

Specializes in med/surg, telemetry, IV therapy, mgmt.

One of the things we did at one of the homes I worked at was for the three full time charge nurses to put our heads together collaboratively and work this out. There is nothing that says you have to schedule routine meds for specific times although some meds, you know, you want given at certain specific times every day. What we did was that we took the huge load of am meds for the tube feeding patients who were confused or not otherwise aware of the time of day and change them to 4 and 5 am in the morning. That gave me time to crunch up all these pills and pour the liquids and get them down their tubes along with the tube feedings. That took a huge load off the day shift. I also took over giving a few of the early am meds at 6am. Those residents who were early risers and were generally up and dressed by 6am got their 9am meds changed to 6am as well. We made sure that the administration times for these medications were all changed on the MARS by the computer center. That way we were in compliance with the one hour rule of getting the meds given at the times specified. God! Things go so well when people work together as a team.

We ran into a slight problem with the nurse who worked on my two days off because we discovered she liked to spend a good amount of her night sleeping so our tube feeding patients weren't always getting their medications when she worked. When this was discovered it took about 2 weeks to run her rear end out the door. You come to work to work, don't you?

Last night I worked a palliative care unit and their meds are cut way back. I truly enjoyed working there and not having to push hundreds of pills and take 20 bp's before I gave each med for three straight hours. I was able to give all my meds out in 45 minutes and actually had the chance to feed someone his breakfast. :) AND it was so nice getting out on time for a change.

I am a new Lpn grad & just began working 1 month ago in LTC . I am disgusted at how many pills these doctors have these poor residents on. I have 32 patients & I am "the nurse of the floor". I know I cannot give each patient the real superior care they truley deserve. I have many patients that say to me no , no , no when they see me coming. Yet I am suppose to talk them into how important they take their medicine. If I did not convince them , then our policy is to notify the PCP same shift. I would be on the phone with the Docs all day & never get anything done.

Also to make things even better , this facility has a rule :no overtime " you will get written up if you cannot get your work done on your shift .

I love the patients & feel so sorry for them , but believe this facility is creating an environment for errors, and nurses to take many short cuts to get out on time . I need to get my 1 year of experience in & then I will be looking for another job. But from the sounds of it , so many nursing homes are ran the same way.

I always dreamed of being a nurse & feel so disappointed that this is how it really is. When I was in school they sure did not talk about this ! The teachers said, you will be a great nurse . I dont feel like a great nurse . I too feel like a pill pusher & it sure makes me feel powerless . There has got to be an answer .... I have wanted to cry everyday as I absorb that this is the "real world " of nursing . I see many burnt out nurses who now seem to hate nursing & ask me ... honey are you glad your a nurse now.... one this is for sure I am now a DNR !

Specializes in LTC since 1972, team leader, supervisor,.

Have you looked at the meds given? Perhaps some of them could be moved to the 5pm pass, or may be some of the meds could be discontinued. Many times we continue to give meds that no longer are needed, and you would be surpised at the number when you evaluate the med themselves. Our facitily routinely looks at the meds and the times they are given. Just because a med is daily does not mean it has to be given at 8am, and twice a day meds if they are not ordered every 12 hour can be moved to 5 pm. I know this has helped our problem with the never ending med passes

I don't see how any of you get any nursing responsibilities done passing meds! All our meds are totally passed Med Techs. The nurses have more than enough to do in 8 hours WITHOUT passing meds. She literally never stops (I'm the ADON) and if she had to pass meds no one would ever get any care.

Specializes in Gerontology, Med surg, Home Health.

Massachusetts doesn't allow med techs. Anyone who can read can hand the pills out, but it takes the skill of a licensed person to monitor for effect, side effects and the rest. Some of our patients are very compromised and it takes skill to determine what meds are having an adverse or positive effect.

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