LTC nurses having to do CNA work all day

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I am a nurse at a LTC facility. We have anywhere between 30-35 patients on the hall. Two nurses. We have 2 CNAs typically for the hall. There are a lot of total care residents that require 2 CNAs. When we only have 2 CNAs on the hall, the nurses are constantly having to do the CNAs job of helping with transfers, ADLs, recording intake/output, BMs, making/changing beds, getting residents up and toileted before meals, assisting with showers, answering call lights, serving meals, feeding residents that cannot feed themselves, etc. Not that us nurses mind helping, but we are struggling to accomplish our own medication passes and documentation. We are lucky if we have a CNA that is able to come to work on time. A lot of days, our CNAs are an hour or more late, arriving when breakfast is being served, meaning that the nurses are then responsible to get all of the residents up out of bed prior to breakfast, serve breakfast, and attempt to get all of our vital signs, assessments, and morning medication pass done. Then, following breakfast the same CNAs that were late have the nerve to ask us if they can go outside for a 15-20min break. The nurses are never able to get breaks according to them apparently. I am wondering, Is this like this at all facilities? I am not trying to complain about giving care to residents but when the nurses are unable to do their job and are worried about missing changes of condition or administering the wrong medications due to being in a hurry to complete tasks, I feel like it is becoming a problem. We are unable to delegate to the CNAs because they are already putting us behind and do not do it when asked. Management has been notified and are aware but are choosing not to do anything about it, constantly making excuses for their behavior.

Specializes in Mental Health, Gerontology, Palliative.

First of all, what the heck are your CNAs doing arriving an hour late? That needs to be stomped on the head asap.

The place I previously worked I could end up doing cares for 1-4 residents. That number depended on how many CNAs we had that day, often we ended up short staffed due to sickness. However our staffing formula was based on bed numbers which in principle should have worked, but often what happened was that the beds we were down were low care patients and the staff still had to carry a massive load

Like you I dont have a problem with doing CNA work, as I kept telling management when we end up doing CNA work, we dont get our nursing jobs done and then we got yelled at for not getting that done

Specializes in Rehab, acute/critical care.

I had experienced this when I was working in LTC/rehab. There were some good CNAs but it felt like they ran the show, showing up when they wanted, leaving when they wanted (middle of shift & not telling me nor coming back), yelling at me when I asked them to answer a call light (3 talking in a empty room), and simply being unprofessional. I hated it and I left. It put such a bad taste in my mouth, I doubt I will ever work LTC/rehab again because of it. I do hospital work now.

Its slowly getting better but management excuses lateness and call ins. I'm glad our DON is kind but sometimes too nice. I am a nurse and yes my job is patient care and by no means am I above doing that and those that are need not be in healthcare but when morning meds are rushed or dressing changes need done, or when the MD or NP is in facility I want to be focused on the nursing aspect. I've had aides (almost every time the NP OR MD is in facility) interrupt our conversation to ask for a laundry key or to ask for help to spot on a Hoyer lift. I have almost become unable to address my concerns with the medical director because the CNAs are constantly bothering me when I am already drowning in my work myself. I just feel like I can't be an aide and a nurse too every minute of every day. I stand to chart now because the second I sit down I am interrupted nearly every time. Sorry for ranting but it is exhausting

In the mean time, stop "doing the work" for them and get into more of a "I'll help as soon as my duties are caught up" approach. Yes, quality of care will suffer and yes, complaints will go up up up...........

Usually that's the only thing that triggers admin. to look at the problem. Just be warned, usually their solution to the problem is to say you should be doing more, not to fix the staffing issue.

If you take this approach, you can expect negative consequences, up to, and including termination, for YOU. If you are prepared for this eventuality, have your job search well in hand.

Seems like bad management. I've got the same problem where I work, what's more,they're now trying to get us to sign CNA job descriptions so that they can put us in the floor on the regular as CNAs because they can't seem to keep any...

your cnas sound awful and you sound like a wonderful nurse.

the nurses at my ltcf wont do this they just make the previous shift stay for those slow butts to decide come to work. You should work at my ltcf we would love to have nurses who actually would do this much ( not that im not grateful for all they do)

other then that, i think, when everyone is busy, it doesn't become your job my job its EVERYONES job.

That sounds like a terrible place too bad for the Residents. Sounds like you will be burnt out in no time. Not like that where I have worked. Though you will always need to assist with patient care. You were taught that for a reason. Med pass should always take precedence over all else . You don't say if you work days or nights. May be the norm for night shift. Certainly not evenings or days. Worked nights for 15 years and have worked very hard .did it all and then some.. How else do you stay awake.

Specializes in M/S, Pulmonary, Travel, Homecare, Psych..
If you take this approach, you can expect negative consequences, up to, and including termination, for YOU. If you are prepared for this eventuality, have your job search well in hand.

Yes and no.

Some nurses can do this and some can't. Be the one who can. It's not about refusing to help, it's about prioritizing your duties and drawing the line where it needs drawn.

"Up to and including termination"..............not if you exit from the situation before it gets there. That's how I handled it the one time I made the mistake of accepting work in a long term facility.

Specializes in retired LTC.

To those of you who asked, be aware that some staff come to your facility from ANOTHER job just ahead yours. This is like a double job for them. I have worked with many a CNA and nurses who did so. For what ever their reasons, they work the 2 jobs.

And I have even had some of that staff 'mandatorily 'held over' from the first position for staffing issues thaere (like in State institutions and/or for weather issues). I used to talk with the nsg supervisors at the other jobs just to confirm the stories.

There are prob some of your staff who quickly dash out of your place to leave and go to another job AFTER you.

If the emloyee is a 'good employee' in all other ways, management will usually OK the late start. Esp if your community's demand for good staff exceeds the avail job pool.

If you're sensing that this is will be an unchanging, ongoing problem where you are, maybe it's time to move on as other respondents have suggested. Sad but that might be the only option for you.

My facility is a nightmare. we are shortstaffed all the time. No consistency with care..2 CNAS for almost 55 people is insane to me. Nurses have to do CNA work moreso because they cant get adequate staffing anymore cause the place has a bad reputation.

Patients are very demanding, very nasty and very critical. I have done this job for over 35 years and this one place is the bottom of the barrel for sure. Unit manager cares only about what SHE says to you and not your Input, she gets very upset and cuts you right off when you are trying to talk to her about something.....I have gotten too many injuries from HELPING my aides lifting over the years. Its over.!!! I am not getting any younger and nursing homes are all the same to me, I have worked in quite a few, some worse than others...but this current one tops the cake.!!!

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