Why Not Just Do A Bsn Program??? - page 7
I'm sure that I am going to get ripped for this one but I am just curious. Whats the point of doing an ADN program? I mean, are you really going to be as competent as a BSN nurse? Considering the... Read More
May 24, '04Occupation: RN Specialty: 3 year(s) of experience in Med-Surg ; Joined: May '04; Posts: 826; Likes: 47Okay, here's my two cents worth. I live in a town that is an hour away from two community college, both of which offer ADN programs. If I chose a BSN program instead I would have to attend a university too far away to drive each day which would entail being away from my husband and daughter from Monday through Friday for a little over two years (something other students have chosen to do). So... I'm going the ADN route (and will thankfully be home almost every day in time to pick her up from school) and will then do an RN-to-BSN on-line program through the same university after I'm done. Total time into all of this? Forever, it seems like. Would I want to change that? Nope, I'm just darn thankful I've got the opportunity to do it at all, competition for entry into any nursing program where I live is incredible. I guess, bottom line, is that for some it's far more feasible to go the ADN route first... Money, time, whatever the reason is, I'm just glad there are different options that work for our different situations.
Quote from HU_nurseI'm not looking for "info." What I am asking is for the opinion of ADN students and why they chose that route rather than the BSN route and do they think that they can be just as competent as a BSN nurse...
May 24, '04Occupation: Critical Care nurse Specialty: ICU/CCU/MICU/SICU/CTICU ; Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 1,046; Likes: 69OK, my turn. I worked my way up from CNA, LPN, ADN, and now I am 2 semesters away from finishing my BSN. Why did I do it that way??? Well, its called life. Life happens. When I was in ADN classes I went to a CC. Tuition was $68/hr... now in the BSN program they are 152/hr. I dont know about alot of you, but for me, financially it was the right decision. I only had to take 1 extra academic for my BSN than I did for my ADN. And the education doesnt make alot of difference in pay in my area, unless you are in management. However, I have an ADN, and I am currently a supervisor, and 2 of the nurses who I supervise, have their BSN. Again, in the end we are all nurses. We all take the exact same licensure exam. The comment was made that RNs make more than LPN. LPN and RN boards are different. All RN boards regardless of the degree, from Diploma to PhD, all have the same exam. In the end..... passing that exam=RN
Lots of people do ADN instead of BSN for a variety of reasons. Each person has to do what is best for them.
May 24, '04Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 124; Likes: 2Quote from HU_nurseAnd yet ASN's do it everyday . Last time I checked ~80% of RN's carried ASN degree's.It just doesnt seem logical that you can take two people: one of which went to school TWICE as long as the other one and yet they are to perform the same job, pass the same exam and get paid the same!!!!
May 24, '04Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 124; Likes: 2Quote from HU_nurseLOOK PEOPLE, GET OVER IT! YOU GUYS WILL NEVER CHANGE MY MIND ON THIS SO WHY ARE GUYS GETTING SOOOOO TOUCHY ABOUT IT. AND LIKE I SAID, I WILL ONLY BE A BEDSIDE NURSE FOR THE REQUIRED YEAR B4 GOING BACK TO GRAD SCHOOL IN WHICH CASE I WILL NOT BE TAKING ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE OR BSN NURSE FOR THAT MATTER. SO THAT'S WHAT I SHOULD HAVE SAID SO I WILL REPHRASE IT: "AFTER COMPLETING MY REQUIRED YEAR OF BEDSIDE NURSING, I WILL NEVER TAKE ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE AGAIN!" HAPPY
Well you admitted it yourself that you wanted to piss us off (her words not mine), I kinda got that from your first post. And if you think we are trying to change your mind then why on earth did you start this thread in the first place if your mind is already made up, just to make yourself feel better about your decision? Were you seeking justification from every ASN student as to why they choose the ASN route. Because if you are then have seat and pop a bag of popcorn because they are here trying to give you the 'opinions' YOU asked for.
Quote from HU_nurseBtw, you are in the Student Forum, if you wanted to piss off the nurses you need to start this thread in the gen. nursing forum.WELL PEOPLE I'M GETTING OFF WORK NOW BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY NICE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION WITH YOU GUYS AND I WILL PICK UP WHERE I LEFT OFF PISSING YOU TOUCHY NURSES OFF TOMMOROW.:chuckle :chuckle :chuckle
May 24, '04Occupation: Operating Room Nurse Specialty: 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER ; From: US ; Joined: Jun '03; Posts: 17,036; Likes: 1,006Quote from HU_nurseLOOK PEOPLE, GET OVER IT! YOU GUYS WILL NEVER CHANGE MY MIND ON THIS SO WHY ARE GUYS GETTING SOOOOO TOUCHY ABOUT IT. AND LIKE I SAID, I WILL ONLY BE A BEDSIDE NURSE FOR THE REQUIRED YEAR B4 GOING BACK TO GRAD SCHOOL IN WHICH CASE I WILL NOT BE TAKING ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE OR BSN NURSE FOR THAT MATTER. SO THAT'S WHAT I SHOULD HAVE SAID SO I WILL REPHRASE IT: "AFTER COMPLETING MY REQUIRED YEAR OF BEDSIDE NURSING, I WILL NEVER TAKE ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE AGAIN!" HAPPY WELL PEOPLE I'M GETTING OFF WORK NOW BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY NICE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION WITH YOU GUYS AND I WILL PICK UP WHERE I LEFT OFF PISWSING YOU TOUCHY NURSES OFF TOMMOROW.:chuckle :chuckle :chuckle
Thanks. You have just provided another example of the kind of nurse that i will strive not to be, not matter how much further i take my education.
May 24, '04Joined: Apr '03; Posts: 13,011; Likes: 36,451Quote from BamaGirlRNPlease do!Btw, you are in the Student Forum, if you wanted to piss off the nurses you need to start this thread in the gen. nursing forum.
May 24, '04Occupation: RN Specialty: 20 year(s) of experience in ICU, PICC Nurse, Nursing Supervisor ; From: TX, US ; Joined: Apr '04; Posts: 5,001; Likes: 1,902It is amazing you are still a nursing student. I've got news for you , you will always have someone giving you orders. And you better follow them whether they come from a ADN or BSN cause straight out of nursing school or even with one year of nursing experience you dont know crap.
Quote from HU_nurseI WILL NEVER TAKE ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE! (and for the millionth time: I NEVER SAID THAT ADN NURSES WERE NOT COMPETENT!!!!! DAMN!!!!):angryfire
May 24, '04Joined: Apr '04; Posts: 116; Likes: 1After pursuing a zoology degree for three years I decided to go in a different direction in my life and dive into nursing. I chose to switch to an ADN because A) the majority of the classes I had taken wouldn't apply to the BSN nursing curriculum, B) It is $79/hour at the cc compared with $327/hour at my university, and C) I would like to begin my career sometime before I'm 30.
Every cc within a 75 mile radius of where I live graduates many of their RNs in a two and a half year span of time, not three or four. And do you honestly think in going to school for 4 years and coming out with a BSN that you would know more than someone graduating with an ADN? Sorry to rain on your parade but when I finish my ADN I will have spent a full year more in college than the comparative BSN and have more applicable courses under my belt. Will you have had two semesters of animal physiology outside of what you learn in a/p? Organic chem? Comparative vertebrate anatomy? Probably not. But I, someone getting an ADN will have this knowledge and will be of far greater use than the required music/art appreciation or philosophy classes that the BSNs have to take as pre-reqs.
Student nurses in this thread are defensive and have every right to be. I applaud them for being such. Behind the ADN student may come decades of real world knowledge, common sense, and in my case 3 years of bloodand sweat in some of the most difficult classes a college student can take. ADNs come from every walk of life and are every bit as competent as their BSN counterparts if not more.
I can write pages more if you honestly want someone's opinion on choosing one degree over another but I shall leave it alone for the time being.Last edit by nikonos on May 24, '04
May 25, '04Joined: May '04; Posts: 80I second the cost issue. Where I live, no extra pay for BSN and the docs/etc would rather hire ADNs as the program has a higher pass rate and better clinical skills. I think overall, ADNs are probably better caregivers as I know from my program that a lot of time is spent on "Paper writing on Florence Nightengale, etc" or management issues rather than pt care. Time is also spent on ridiculous theories involving energy fields and psychobabble.
May 25, '04Occupation: Workers Comp Case Manager Joined: Oct '03; Posts: 464; Likes: 113Quote from HU_nurseAnd furthermore, I must say that my theory has proven correct: nurses are very defensive group of people. But despite what you all may think, I posted this thread to gain insight and not to criticize someone for the decision that they have made. After reading all of the post, it make A LOT of sense to do an AND program: its cheaper, closer (sometimes) you get paid just as much, you are just as competent etc. I still dont agree with the fact that a BSN's pay scale is the same as a ADN"s pay, but hey I'll get over that. Thanks to all those who responded in a polite manner. As for myself, I'm glad that I chose the route that I did. I PERSONALLY (REMEMBER FOLKS, THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION) feel that the ADN program is just a cop out (except for the folks who are doing it b/c of money or family or work issues etc). But once again, like I said, this is just my personal opinion. It just doesnt seem logical that you can take two people: one of which went to school TWICE as long as the other one and yet they are to perform the same job, pass the same exam and get paid the same!!!! Where is the logic in that??? JUST MY OPINION
I agree..it kind of makes you question the intelligence of the individuals that go longer, pay twice as much, pass the same exam and get the paid the same doesn't it??
Sorry I couldn't resist. This person is trying to stir up trouble..and I for one m sick and tired of defending MY education choice..it was MY choice to become an ADN nurse...I am not sure why anyone else would even care..I could care less about why others chose the route they took. As far as advancement..I can say it until I am blue in the face..out of the 14 years I have been a nurse I have spent less than half at the bediside..I have been in management, worked on a state contract and now do case management..an ADN can also take you places!!
May 25, '04Occupation: RN - College Health Specialty: Geriatrics/Oncology/Psych/College Health ; Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 6,584; Likes: 70Quote from Erin RNI think this is my favorite post on this thread lol (and I'm a BSN.) It also looks like this installment of the ADN versus BSN has run its course, especially since the OP has states he/she is no longer interested in the opinions asked for .I agree..it kind of makes you question the intelligence of the individuals that go longer, pay twice as much, pass the same exam and get the paid the same doesn't it??
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