Why Not Just Do A Bsn Program???

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I'm sure that I am going to get ripped for this one but I am just curious. Whats the point of doing an ADN program? I mean, are you really going to be as competent as a BSN nurse? Considering the fact that I am in a BSN program and I can barely keep up with all of the tons of info that they throw at us, I wonder how you can possible obtain all that info in a ADN program. And further more from what I understand, with all the pre-reqs that you have to take, it ends up taking the average ADN student 3 years to finish anyway. So why not just do a 4 year program???

BE gentle...

I'll be much more gentle than you were.

Yes, I'm sure I'll be as competent as a BSN educated nurse. We take the same boards and do as many if not more clinical hours.

The BSN programs in my area on average cost $12,000/yr. The ADN program is $100/credit (about $1600/yr). Additionally, I am a wife, mother, and am employed. With the extra classes in the BSN program, I couldn't swing it in a reasonable amount of time. We need me working full time ASAP. I have most of my pre-reqs done, so time wise, the BSN would only be an extra year or two, but I'd rather be making an RN salary and going for my BSN if and when I want or need to. Additionally, the hospital I will be working at will pay for my BSN after I start working there. Right now, they're paying for my ADN program. They don't have non-RN BSN scholarships.

Advice: next time you want people to be gentle, don't ask them if they think they'll be "as competent..." Sounds kinda nasty and self-righteous.

lol...ill try to keep that in mind...

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And furthermore, I must say that my theory has proven correct: nurses are very defensive group of people. But despite what you all may think, I posted this thread to gain insight and not to criticize someone for the decision that they have made. After reading all of the post, it make A LOT of sense to do an AND program: its cheaper, closer (sometimes) you get paid just as much, you are just as competent etc. I still dont agree with the fact that a BSN's pay scale is the same as a ADN"s pay, but hey I'll get over that. Thanks to all those who responded in a polite manner. As for myself, I'm glad that I chose the route that I did. I PERSONALLY (REMEMBER FOLKS, THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION) feel that the ADN program is just a cop out (except for the folks who are doing it b/c of money or family or work issues etc). But once again, like I said, this is just my personal opinion. It just doesnt seem logical that you can take two people: one of which went to school TWICE as long as the other one and yet they are to perform the same job, pass the same exam and get paid the same!!!! Where is the logic in that??? JUST MY OPINION

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Specializes in CVICU.
No point in doing all that clinical when you barely know the thoery behind it...

If BSN's get the most theory then how come everyone says the best nurses are diploma nurses?

Honestly, your statement is flawed becuase anyone that has been to college to learn theory in any degree program always learns that when they get in the real world none of the theory they learned is applied in the way they were taught to apply it. There is theory and real life experiences...we come out of college and learn what the reality of how things really work.

Did you watch the apprentice? Why do you think Bill won over Kwame? Kwame had a degree and a bunch of theory behind his name...no real practical experience...

The real learning with any job comes when you start it. All the programs (BSN, ADN, Diploma) get you to the same end...RN so that you can practice as a nurse. Same job, same pay...but with the BSN you can advance your career or go to grad school without more schooling...If you wanted to be paid more out of you 4 year program you should have picked accounting :)

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Specializes in AGNP.
No point in doing all that clinical when you barely know the thoery behind it...

I think you have been misinformed about ADN programs and maybe need to do a bit more research. ADN programs take on average 3 years because they make you take the anatomy, micro, etc before you start taking your nursing classes so you have 1 year of pre-reqs then 2 years of pretty much nothing but nursing classes. And in every BSN program I have looked into you have roughly 2 years of pre-req type classes, addition english, psych, etc classes then the last 2 years are nursing classes. So pretty much you are learning the exact same thing has the ADN programs except there are a couple extra nursing management/theory classes mixed in. If ADN nurses aren't competent and learning way less than you, how come ADN graduates can pass the same exact NCLEX test BSN grads take? Seems to me they obviously learned the same material you did....

I just finished my BS in Human Biology and have done a ton of research on second-degree BSN programs and normal ADN programs and am much more interested in going to a normal ADN program than an accelerated program because of cost and I want more clinical time. If we are going by your logic of you are going to school longer so you should be paid more than ADN grads, well if I get a ADN nursing degree - shouldn't I be paid more than you since I will have gone to school for 6 years total for my BS and the ADN? I'm not trying to sound *****y but your logic is skewed.

I think that you may have a rude awakening one day when you may have to take orders from an 'incompetent' ADN nurse....

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I think you have been misinformed about ADN programs and maybe need to do a bit more research. ADN programs take on average 3 years because they make you take the anatomy, micro, etc before you start taking your nursing classes so you have 1 year of pre-reqs then 2 years of pretty much nothing but nursing classes. And in every BSN program I have looked into you have roughly 2 years of pre-req type classes, addition english, psych, etc classes then the last 2 years are nursing classes. So pretty much you are learning the exact same thing has the ADN programs except there are a couple extra nursing management/theory classes mixed in. If ADN nurses aren't competent and learning way less than you, how come ADN graduates can pass the same exact NCLEX test BSN grads take? Seems to me they obviously learned the same material you did....

I just finished my BS in Human Biology and have done a ton of research on second-degree BSN programs and normal ADN programs and am much more interested in going to a normal ADN program than an accelerated program

because of cost and I want more clinical time. If we are going by your logic of you are going to school longer so you should be paid more than ADN grads, well if I get a ADN nursing degree - shouldn't I be paid more than you since I will have gone to school for 6 years total for my BS and the ADN? I'm not trying to sound *****y but your logic is skewed.

I think that you may have a rude awakening one day when you may have to take orders from an 'incompetent' ADN nurse....

I WILL NEVER TAKE ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE! (and for the millionth time: I NEVER SAID THAT ADN NURSES WERE NOT COMPETENT!!!!! DAMN!!!!):angryfire

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Specializes in AGNP.
I WILL NEVER TAKE ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE! (and for the millionth time: I NEVER SAID THAT ADN NURSES WERE NOT COMPETENT!!!!! DAMN!!!!):angryfire

LOL....do you think there aren't ADN nurses in charge positions and management positions? Because there is.

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Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
I posted this thread to gain insight and not to criticize...I PERSONALLY (REMEMBER FOLKS, THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION) feel that the ADN program is just a cop out...But once again, like I said, this is just my personal opinion.

Well, you know what they say opinions are like, don't you?

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Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
I WILL NEVER TAKE ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE!

Oh really? And why is that?

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LOL....do you think there aren't ADN nurses in charge positions and management positions? Because there is.

I'm sure there are...

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Specializes in AGNP.
I'm sure there are...

So if you aren't going to take orders from an ADN nurse, then are you going to go around work asking everyone if they are an ADN grad or a BSN grad? Its not like people have it written across their forehead for the world to see.

Haven't your learned that nursing is a team effort? You don't seem to willing to be part of the whole team. If you know who you report to is an ADN grad are you going to refuse to go to work or do what they say? If so, you would quickly find your way out the door.

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LOOK PEOPLE, GET OVER IT! YOU GUYS WILL NEVER CHANGE MY MIND ON THIS SO WHY ARE GUYS GETTING SOOOOO TOUCHY ABOUT IT. AND LIKE I SAID, I WILL ONLY BE A BEDSIDE NURSE FOR THE REQUIRED YEAR B4 GOING BACK TO GRAD SCHOOL IN WHICH CASE I WILL NOT BE TAKING ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE OR BSN NURSE FOR THAT MATTER. SO THAT'S WHAT I SHOULD HAVE SAID SO I WILL REPHRASE IT: "AFTER COMPLETING MY REQUIRED YEAR OF BEDSIDE NURSING, I WILL NEVER TAKE ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE AGAIN!" HAPPY :) WELL PEOPLE I'M GETTING OFF WORK NOW BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY NICE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION WITH YOU GUYS AND I WILL PICK UP WHERE I LEFT OFF PISWSING YOU TOUCHY NURSES OFF TOMMOROW.:chuckle :chuckle :chuckle

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Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.

Alrighty then.

Just a hint - putting a smily emoticon after your words does not make them any less offensive. :)

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