Who believes instructors can be out to get you? - page 3
I'm curious, what are your thoughts on this ? Do you think instructors can fail you from a class because of personality conflicts and nothing else?... Read More
Jun 28, '04Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 6,885; Likes: 12,485Quote from llgLlg said this so much better than I did!So ... when I hear about students who refuse to believe that nursing might not be a good choice for them ... and those students who blame the instructors for "not like them" or "picking on them," etc. I can't help but wonder if maybe what's really happening is that some instructor is trying to save that student a lot of aggravation and pain down the road by encouraging you to seek another career. Rarely does an instructor have any motivation to "pick on" a student and try to get them quit other than to save them and profession trouble later on.
Jun 28, '04Joined: Oct '03; Posts: 1,980; Likes: 94I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I haven't seen it.
Jun 28, '04Occupation: Medicare claims review for major insurance company Specialty: 30 year(s) of experience in telemetry, case management ; From: US ; Joined: Oct '02; Posts: 1,176; Likes: 760When I was in LPN school back when dinosaurs romaed the earth, we had an instructor who was of a different ethnic background than mine. She made a statement in front of the class that a man in the class who was of her same ethnicity, "WOULD pass, she would get him through no matter what."
In front of some other students in the lunchroom, she alluded to three female students who were Caucausian and from another state, on grants - some kind of assistance to women in bad situations sort of thing, not welfare, but one was young, married and had several little bitty kids, one was an abused woman fleeing her fiancee/business partner, and the other was a woman close to retirement age. It angered her to see these women and she mad no bones about saying she would make sure these women did NOT finish the course.
In the end, her male student flunked out, and she harrassed two of the three women until they quit. The third female student continued and passed and is an LPN to this day. Her name is KaroSnowQueen. The instructor quit our school after my class graduated.
Jun 29, '04Joined: May '04; Posts: 1,008; Likes: 12:hatparty: [font=lucida sans unicode]congrats 2 u for sticking it out!
Quote from karosnowqueenwhen i was in lpn school back when dinosaurs romaed the earth, we had an instructor who was of a different ethnic background than mine. she made a statement in front of the class that a man in the class who was of her same ethnicity, "would pass, she would get him through no matter what."
in front of some other students in the lunchroom, she alluded to three female students who were caucausian and from another state, on grants - some kind of assistance to women in bad situations sort of thing, not welfare, but one was young, married and had several little bitty kids, one was an abused woman fleeing her fiancee/business partner, and the other was a woman close to retirement age. it angered her to see these women and she mad no bones about saying she would make sure these women did not finish the course.
in the end, her male student flunked out, and she harrassed two of the three women until they quit. the third female student continued and passed and is an lpn to this day. her name is karosnowqueen. the instructor quit our school after my class graduated.
Jun 29, '04Joined: Feb '04; Posts: 38I'll say this....instructors are, (gasp!) human. Just like the rest of us, they can feel threatened by a student based on nothing more than personality. I have no doubt that this has happened. although I believe it usually results in a lower grade, not all out failing. That can be pretty hard to prove. However, I think all of us can testify to an instructor playing favorites, and giving someone a far better grade than they deserve. I know there are a few in my class you are still there by the grace of teachers and classmates.
Lastly, not all instructors are good ones! In fact, I have only seen a few in my program that are worth anything. I'm sure they are fine nurses, but their teaching leaves something to be desired. Just as there is a shortage for nurses, there is one for nursing instructors. Unfortunately, students pay the price. So, embrace those good ones!
Jun 29, '04Occupation: LPN Specialty: 36 year(s) of experience in peds, office nurse and long term care fa ; From: US ; Joined: Nov '99; Posts: 243Many years ago, when I was in school, I had a nutrition teacher that I could not get along with. She taught class saying .....and of......you know.... all the time. It seemed like all I could hear was that. In clinicals she seemed to pick on me, wonder why, I probably deserved it.
One day we were observing a tube feeding, and she was talking about having a pond near their house. Which of course - had nothing to do with the procedure. I told her she needed some ducks for it. She thought that was a good idea. But where could she get them? My Mother was selling baby ducks at that time. Needless to say, from then on I had NO trouble at all with her.
Where were those baby ducks sooner!
Jun 29, '04Occupation: Nursing Professional Development + Academic Faculty Specialty: 38 year(s) of experience in Nursing Professional Development ; Joined: Sep '02; Posts: 13,473; Likes: 25,114Do instructors (and managers) have "favorites?" Of course we do! Those students who do the work, know the material, perform well, meet the objectives, etc. are the ones who will get the best grades and whatever other rewards the instructor can give. Those students who don't meet the objectives as well, don't "fit" the expectations will either have to conform to and meet the teacher's standards (It's called "learning.") or be prepared to receive lower grades, fewer rewards, etc.
The same is true in the work setting. Those employees who best meet the needs of the employer will get whatever rewards that can be given. Those employees who expect their bosses, the hospital, the rest of the staff, etc. to conform to their personal agendas will be less favored.
That's the way life is. We all have the ability to choose whether or not we want to conform to the standards of the "authority figure" (teacher, employer, etc.) or not. If we are mature, we accept the consequences of our choices. If not, we blame everyone else for not rewarding us for doing what pleases us most (instead of what pleases other people most.)
Sometimes, there are bad teachers. Sometimes, there are bad bosses. etc. etc. etc. But it's very rare that someone actually flunks out of school or gets fired from a job who did nothing wrong. There are usually enough safeguards within the system to prevent it from going that far unless the student has performed poorly on numerous ocassions and for more than 1 teacher.
Jun 29, '04Joined: Oct '02; Posts: 549; Likes: 19In our clinical group, we had one student who was barely getting by, one with a lot of personal problems and another who was downright scary. The instructor was much harder on those three students than the rest of us. She felt they were not going to make good nurses and encouraged them to drop out of the program.
Was that fair? No. Was she right? Maybe, maybe not. The scary student ended the semester by almost pouring liquid meds down a patient's trach. Since the instructor never allowed the student to do anything without her direct supervision, she was able to stop the student before she killed the patient.
The other two might have improved if offered extra support and assitance with organization, time management and prioritizing. Unfortunately, it is more of a sink or swim environment. I hope they will be back in the fall and will do better with a different instructor. Or perhaps our clinical instructor was right and they won't make it. I hope they prove her wrong!
Jun 29, '04Specialty: 15 year(s) of experience in Rehab, Med Surg, Home Care ; Joined: Mar '03; Posts: 1,129; Likes: 510We had a couple of intructors who all but harassed a couple of the students in clinicals. In both cases they were hardest on a couple of the older (40's) students; also on students who acted hesitant and lacked self-confidence in performing clinical skills. These students were all doing well academically but were continually singled out in clinicals. In hindsight, I don't think this was my imagination and I do NOT think it benefitted any of them in any way when they hit the "real" world. It was just an unpleasant reality for them to get through to get to their goal. I know I had less respect for both instructors for the way they dealt with these students.Last edit by Chaya on Jun 29, '04
Jun 29, '04Joined: Nov '03; Posts: 81; Likes: 4Quote from llg<snipped>
and those students who blame the instructors for "not like them" or "picking on them," etc. I can't help but wonder if maybe what's really happening is that some instructor is trying to save that student a lot of aggravation and pain down the road by encouraging you to seek another career. llg
I'm not in nursing school yet, but it seems to me that an instructor is there to instruct, not to weed anyone out or pass judgement... I assume the dynamics are different for nursing school than other college programs, but it still doesn't make sense to me. It should be more objective than that.
Do nursing instructors really get close enough to their students to understand that student's personality? or close enough to know personal information about that student? (I'm not being sarcastic LOL)
I've had professors who I thought were jerks- but they were jerks to everyone, not just me, LOL. They didn't know me from adam.
Jun 29, '04Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 12,735; Likes: 1,812I never ran into it during nursing school, but it happened all the time in my high school. I grew up in a hick town, where there was a clear line betwixt the "haves" and "have nots" and it had to do with more than just money. Every single teacher had a close connection to the school board, and it is highly likely the election for that were fixed. Our town also had a couple of Mafiosos running it. All this may sound far fetched, but I'm convinced that its true, and my success as soon as I left that time, and my failure the entire time I was in it do nothing but confirm my suspicions.
Jun 29, '04Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 6,885; Likes: 12,485Quote from LittleCatBYes they do, and you get to know your classmates very well also. It's a function of watching each other gain clinical skills and interact with patients. Spend 5 minutes watching your classmate deal with a difficult patient and you'll know a lot about them, perhaps more than you'd like to know!Do nursing instructors really get close enough to their students to understand that student's personality? or close enough to know personal information about that student? (I'm not being sarcastic LOL)
You know, in an ideal world I'd like to be able to say that anyone who has the desire and applies him/herself to gaining the needed knowledge can be a nurse, but really now ... think about people you know. Aren't there some who you wouldn't want anywhere near you or your family member if you were ill and vulnerable? I agree with llg that what gets harshly termed "weeding out" is really usually a natural and necessary process. (Yes, there are exceptions)
Jun 29, '04Occupation: CDU nurse Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 4,001; Likes: 542i think that instructors most definitely will look at other aspects regarding the student than just the decimal point percentage. I think that if a student is obviously trying very hard , always on time, participates and shows a genuine deisre to learn and meet the objectives then that student is going to get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to bubble grade situations (69.9, 79.9 etc) now a different bubble student who is late, disruptive, doesn't participate or seem to want to master the material probably will not get the benefit of the doubt. As i sit here typing this i'm thinking a few people in my chem class this semester who really need to get this concept right now! People who rudely interrupt the lecture, correct the teacher in front of everyone over nitpicky stuff that doesn't matter (you spelled beryllium with 1 l instead of 2..), Argue with the teacher over everything and constantly bring up past teachers and what they accepted, probably aren't making the best impression with the instructor. Whatever happened to sitting quietly and taking notes and raising your hand if you have a pertinent question?