Was I being mean-by not handing over all my notes?????? - page 7
One of my classmates came to me about a week and a half ago and asked for my phone #, she stated that she had a question to ask me? (A little background, this is a girl who doesn't speak to me.... Read More
Jan 5, '08Occupation: RN, Nurse Manager From: US ; Joined: Jul '07; Posts: 1,517; Likes: 1,476Would I have shared a notes from the entire class? No. Would I, and have I, taken notes or shared from one day when asked..sure. If I felt someone was serious about school and trying their best to succeed, I would help out as best as I can. If it was a slacker trying to take the easy way out, forget it. And believe me, we all know who the slackers are. If you going to sit at the back and talk all class, come back late from lunch, stay late at breaks, disrupt class with laughing - forget it.
My only exception is that I would NEVER let anyone listen to my tape recorders of my voice covering notes and facts - a little too personal for me.
This is the same principle that you will learn once you get on the floor. When I was new, I helped everyone else out. Bent over backwards to be a team player. Then as I worked there longer I saw who were the takers and never the givers. Now I play the "I'm too busy right now" game with those that have given back. And its not because they can't.
Jan 5, '08Joined: Jul '07; Posts: 62; Likes: 10To the OP, I did not read all the other posts but I think you are okay..I seen worser in my classmates, a lot worser..
Jan 5, '08Specialty: 2 year(s) of experience in Cardiac ; From: US ; Joined: Jul '07; Posts: 227; Likes: 73disclaimer: sensitive people might not want to read any further. i am a caring and outgoing person, but this is how i feel.
by the law of statistics, half the people are below average. they have to be because there are 50% above and below the median. if you're one of the people not willing to put forth the effort into learning, or to be brutally honest, if you're not intelligent enough to pass the coursework; maybe you don't need to be a nurse where you have people's lives in your hands...
what a lot of you don't realize is this: if we have to constantly carry someone thru nursing school, it is highly probable that we will have to carry their slack on the job once they graduate. unless i'm getting paid extra to carry dead weight, i'm going to abstain. not being mean, but sometimes the truth hurts.
i help those who i believe deserve it. it's my call because it's my time, notes, ideas, or information that is being shared. i do not help bums or leeches. i help those who i determine have tried and need a little boost. i will be first to say that i may be wrong in judgment, but i'm willing to live with it. i am not the teacher, and i do not have a responsibility to teach the class to those who don't put forth 100% effort to learn. if someone has a legitimate issue that i am aware of, i will bend over backwards to help them.
Jan 5, '08Occupation: Inactive nurse while in recovery. From: US ; Joined: Nov '06; Posts: 541; Likes: 387Quote from kcochranei'd agree with this 100%. that's too personal for me, too.my only exception is that i would never let anyone listen to my tape recorders of my voice covering notes and facts - a little too personal for me.
Jan 5, '08Joined: Dec '07; Posts: 86; Likes: 85Anemia or not, I think sleeping in class does not entitle the classmate to someone elses notes. If they are unable to pay attention in class in order to become a safe nurse, then they should either take care of their underlying medical problem or drop out of school until they are ready to commit to staying awake for lecture.
Nursing degrees are not like most other degrees... eventually we will be responsible for other people's lives and well-being. One cannot expect to sleep through class for any reason and still succeed and be safe in this career. Might sound harsh, but we have so much we will eventually be responsible for.....
Jan 5, '08Occupation: manifesting Philippeans 4:8 From: US ; Joined: Aug '07; Posts: 5,944; Likes: 11,197Quote from kcochranemy only exception is that i would never let anyone listen to my tape recorders of my voice covering notes and facts - a little too personal for me.Quote from danibananithat's interesting because i went through that, too. i did not offer the audio stuff but was asked for it. i initially declined for the same reason - it just felt too personal. the more i thought about it, though, i decided that i was just being self-conscious and i felt pretty supportive of the person asking so i decided to go ahead. i ended up sharing them with a few people but not so many as the typed stuff.i'd agree with this 100%. that's too personal for me, too.
i don't know why i feel so much less comfortable sharing my spoken words than my written ones. i suppose it's analogous to the difference between public speaking and expository writing. i'd guess an would have many fewer participants if we all had to speak rather than type.
anyway, i totally get what you guys are saying.
Mar 1, '08Joined: Jan '08; Posts: 70; Likes: 5my thing is smply this nursing school is not a competition you are in there together to help one another out and at times u have to pull another thru. the right thing should have been to let her know how you feel about things and let her know to get it together and i do understand that you aren't there to babysit but, yet instill you all are there to pull another thru.
at hfcc there were 200 students to graduate out of about 260 in the class of 2005. this was the biggest amount of students to graduate in the history of their nursing program
and the reason being is because everyony decided to help another and they pushed each other to do their absolute best and, also it wasn't a competition they felt that they were in it together and that no one is going to be left behind.
i can see if this girl asked for your notes all the time but, 2 or 3 times wasn't going to kill youLast edit by TheCommuter on Mar 2, '08 : Reason: Inflammatory
Mar 1, '08Joined: Oct '06; Posts: 116; Likes: 69Wheather you are asking for money, time, notes, whatever; the person being asked has a right to do with their property as they wish. If you don't think you are entitled to the items that come from the sweat of your brow, maybe you should not be evoking the LORD's name. Also, Lord is capitalised. Second, the only academic program I have ever been associated with that believes in socialism, and community rights to academic materials is nursing. Third, competiton makes things better. If there is no need for competition then why do the instructors keep grades, why has America produced the best in innovative products in the past? Because competition works. Competition drives innovation, and productivity. Why do you think that the USSR failed? Because in a society that endorses mediocraty and is content with no productivity, that is what you get. You want a lot from your kids or students, demand a lot. Yea, I know, I'm a mean old Capitalist. I really believe that you have to pay the highest wages to the brightest minds to get them to pursue the most demanding fields. I know you probably think that a minimum wage brain surgeon does the same job as a rich one. I'll pay the extra money if they are working on my brain. You can have the one that is paid minimum wage, because in the world you exist in, that's probably good enough.Last edit by TheCommuter on Mar 2, '08 : Reason: referenced edited post
Mar 1, '08Joined: Nov '06; Posts: 266; Likes: 79Quote from excited08she did give the girl her notes, and the girl was rude, unappreciative, and didn't even bother to say "thank you." personally, i believe the "medical necessity" argument this girl gave about as much as i believe i can visit the beach during my next trip to kansas. she's lazy, and she's taking advantage. it's not "mean" to refuse to do someone else's work for them. if she can't get through nursing school without asking someone else to do her work for her, then she shouldn't be a nurse.my thing is smply this nursing school is not a competition you are in there together to help one another out and at times u have to pull another thru. i can see if this girl asked for your notes all the time but, 2 or 3 times wasn't going to kill youLast edit by TheCommuter on Mar 2, '08 : Reason: referenced edited post
Mar 1, '08Joined: Oct '07; Posts: 620; Likes: 1,128You have a right to your own notes however this person felt comfortable enough to come to you to ask about notes and now I am sure there is no comfort level with you. Some day karma will come back to you.
I take good notes and then rearrange them some students have asked for my notes before and I have asked for other notes from students I have never turned anyone away and have never been turned down. I cannot help but think about the old saying with alot of the replies "nurses eat their young". Not trying to sound harsh again they are your notes and the student should have made arrangements with the instructor instead of trying to count on another student for assistance. You have a right to your choice.
Mar 1, '08Occupation: ER Nurse/medic From: US ; Joined: Jan '08; Posts: 100; Likes: 39I say email the notes. this may be a sincere genuine need for help, its the second time around that tells you what type of person you are dealing with..i believe it is a small price to pay to size the suituation. you may be gaining a friend or losing a slacker either way you dont lose........
Mar 1, '08Occupation: RN Specialty: 3 year(s) of experience in Med/Surg/Bariatrics ; From: US ; Joined: Nov '07; Posts: 179; Likes: 54Friday I was 30 minutes late to class because of a major accident on the hwy at the exit I needed for school. I always leave early for school, it's only a 15 minute drive but I like to arrive early and get organized, etc. Well, I was stuck in between exits and had to sit. I was literally sick b/c I am never late or miss, ever.
I arrived and the girl sitting next to me said "after class I'll copy my notes on the copier and give you what you missed." I was so very thankful that she offered, as I probably would not of asked. I mentioned the accident to her and told her I was very thankful and to let me know if she ever needed anything from me. We're not "friends" and we dont speak in class, just happen to sit next to each other, but I'd like to think that she knows I am always on time and in class, which is why she offered... maybe?
At any rate, what goes around comes around. Do what you want with your property, you're not obligated to share them with anyone. But like some others have mentioned, I'd like to think that if I help someone they will help me out. If the girl who copied me her notes ever needed mine I'd be more than happy to share them with her.
Mar 1, '08Occupation: RN Specialty: DOU ; Joined: May '07; Posts: 1,100; Likes: 1,040When I miss a class (which has only happened once), I simply read the textbook. It's all in there, anyway.