Reading alot of posts discussing "A" nursing students vs "C" nursing students - page 11

I still want to voice my opinion. Lately, I've been reading alot of post discussing "A" nursing students verses "C" nursing students. It breaks my heart that there are students that are so hung up on... Read More

  1. by   KarmaRene
    i really am shocked to hear so many of my fellow nurses be so judgemental and condescending to others. we are supposed to be some of the most compassionate and understanding people in the world today. grant it than many people in ns school are okay with "just getting by" and there are those that will stop at nothing to maintain straight a's, but what about that group in the middle?? what about the ones that spend countless hours in the library studying with a study group then extra hours on their own? the ones that get that extra tutoring session because they know they arent the smartest of the bunch but still wants to do well and make a living helping and caring for others?? i thought that was what nursing was all about. i myself was and will, when i go back to school, maintain a 4.0 gpa, because school and learning comes naturally to me. school isnt for everybody, but that doesnt stop those who have a harder time comprehending and remembering from reaching their goals. i know a woman who has all the qualities any employer would want in a nurse, yet she had a hard time during school and she read out books from cover to cover literally. she read some chapters 2-3 times to attain a better understanding each time. yet, she still only maintain a c average. do i dare judge her and say that she isnt trying hard enough, or that i wouldnt want to have her a my nurse taking care of me as a pt??? no way!!!! there was a guy in my class as well, very intelligent man and literally aced almost every test we had. but, when it came to clinicals, he wouldnt know how to care for the pt if the instructor stood over him and walked him through every step he needed to do. he couldnt give an accurate head-to-toe, or provide a proper bed bath, or even simply dress correctly for isolation!!! and you mean to tell me you would rather have that 4.0 gpa over her 2.5??? give me a break!! he was a walking disaster (lawsuit) waiting to happen, fortunately he was retained for poor clinical perfomance, but subsequently passed the repeat term and finished school. my point is, the book smarts dont always speak for the person. some people are better at the hands on, and that doesnt make them any less of nurses in my book!! i commend them for giving it their all and working hard to get good grades in ns. god knows i did, fortunately for me i was raised by great parents who taught excellent study habits and helped me keep them. best of luck to all the students trying to get good grades, but cant seem to get over that hump!!! to those who are getting c's and just slacking off, it doesnt hurt anyone but you in the long run. once you get a license its all on you, just hope you can handle it.....
  2. by   hiddencatRN
    Quote from beachbutterfly
    Also there arent that many A students in Nursing school,not because people are lazy,not intelligent etc but because nursing tests are a different style of tests.Sometimes test questions are ridicolous and two answers are right,plus the <b>test material requires critical thinking that was not taught to us in other classes,majors</b>.When we first enter the nursing school we are not used to applying our knowledge in order to quess the answer,we are used to memorizing and getting our A that way.So to assume that a lots of people dont try hard enough is understatement to say at least.
    The more I hear about nursing school and test questions, the more grateful I am that I have an English degree. Hopefully it will serve me as well in nursing school as it has in the prerequisites. I'm proud of my evil, snobby As.
  3. by   KarmaRene
    its really disgusting to hear that jobs are actually using grades in the hiring process. i think thats distasteful, and any place that doesnt want to hire me because of my gpa isnt a place im sure i would want to work!!! grades dont make the nurse!!!! i agree with both 2bnursejacksonrn and patchouli!! you people are should be ashamed of yourselves.
  4. by   hiddencatRN
    Quote from karmarene
    its really disgusting to hear that jobs are actually using grades in the hiring process.
    disgusting? seriously? what an odd thing to say.
  5. by   Eaglelady
    Quote from patchouli
    this has got to be the most nauseating thread i have ever read! although i agree that people should obviously strive to do their best while in school, i think it's insane to compare grades with one another. i assure you that in my school, with the way they do the grading system, my b is technically higher than some of your as. in other schools, the system may be higher than ours. i was a 4.0 student (prereqs) before starting actual nursing school. now, i'm a 3.something. not only was the content much harder, but the grading system changed. you have to make an 86% at my school to be considered a b student. that's the very lowest percent to make a b. no rounding up at my school, no bonuses. so, to compare one nursing program to another is absolute stupidity. there are lots of c students in my program, some graduated with an 85%, and they are still c students! you guys need to get a grip. i can tell you that i worked my butt off for my b. my school ( a community college) is well known for the wonderful nurses it produces. hospitals love to hire our nursing students. tons of clinical time, and tough curriculum. then of course, one needs to also look at the person as a whole. some people are raising families without outside help. some people have serious health problems. some are so broke that they eat ramen noodles every night. some have dealt with death of loved ones, divorce, loss of homes, etc. while in the program. some have dealt with multiples of these issues! at what point did you guys stop critically thinking? if you judge your patients like you judge others, i'd hate to be in their shoes! it's terrific to be proud of your accomplishments, but pride comes at a cost when you let it consume you. passing judgment on others (like i've read here) is a definant character flaw!
    i totally 100% agree with you like i said previously i really don't feel the gpa makes a nurse ---i know i struggled and it was an extremely hard program to me but i am definitely better for going through it and i know i will be able to give my clients the best care in which they deserve---so thank you again for posting this for it is veryyyyyy true
  6. by   KarmaRene
    excuse me, discouraging was the word that was meant to be in that sentence. however, i am having another conversation at the same time and my hands typed what my brain was thinking at that moment opposed to what i intended to type. again, excuse that mistake.

    oh and while i am at it, let me not forget to commend the a students as well. being one myself, i know how much time and effort we put into getting good grades and attaining as much of the information as possible. i also know what sacrifices we have to make (i.e., cutting hours at work, a deflated social life, lack of sleep, less time with family) in order to do this. so, a round of applause to you as well......
  7. by   fiveofpeep
    Some of this stuff is so ridiculous! Who do these "A" people think they are, looking down their noses at others?
    It goes both ways. Who cares. This whole post is a waste of time...its just the same people asserting that B students are just as good as A students and those A students well, they are running around like chickens with their heads cut off killing patients right and left because their type A homicidal minds are so overworked and irrational that they cant think straight.

    I love love love nursing. I really really care about people and who they are and Im a student so who knows if I will be a good nurse. None of us students are even nurses yet and when we graduate we sure as heck wont be great nurses off the bat.

    My gpa is my personal goal and is totally irrelevant to nursing. I just want to know as much as I can so I can be competent and having a 4.00 came along with that in my case. And btw, I do just fine on ATI (although I think ATI operates in a state of upsidedown witchcraftery flim flam)

    It seems that any time us students get cut loose on vacation, hard core debates erupt. Like MJ over spring break. We need to keep busy or we all go insane it seems.
  8. by   hiddencatRN
    Ah, discouraging makes more sense. Fair enough. I found with my previous degree that when applying to places without experience, people were much more interested in my GPA (which was awful) than I had expected them to be. If that's the case this time around I have that much more reason to keep working hard!
  9. by   fiveofpeep
    I think the whole asking for transcripts deal is due to the economy but Im sure as we all know, it doesn't determine who gets hired solely d/t grades
  10. by   mcksmom
    i recently graduated (december 2008) from nursing school and carried a "C" average the whole time. ya know the funny part? i am a much better nurse the girls in my class that were "A" students. they may have been book smart, but when it comes to actually caring about patients and seeing to their needs they had no idea what to do, because the book didn't tell them how to deal with certain situations. it doesn't matter what grades you make in nursing school so long as you graduate and make it through boards.
  11. by   beachbutterfly
    Quote from hiddencat
    Disgusting? Seriously? What an odd thing to say.
    In the hiring process there are many elements of the whole picture that will determine if you will land the job or not some are very obvious like eloquent resume,experiences,people you know or dont know,things you know or dont know,appearance,charisma,how you present and answer questions during interview,your motivation,,friendly caring personality (managers can definitely sense one),degrees (BSN,MSN).Grades play only small part in the hiring process,everything else has to fit in the picture just right and of course the LUCK!!!
  12. by   beachbutterfly
    Quote from maggiofliore
    It goes both ways. Who cares. This whole post is a waste of time...its just the same people asserting that B students are just as good as A students and those A students well, they are running around like chickens with their heads cut off killing patients right and left because their type A homicidal minds are so overworked and irrational that they cant think straight.

    I love love love nursing. I really really care about people and who they are and Im a student so who knows if I will be a good nurse. None of us students are even nurses yet and when we graduate we sure as heck wont be great nurses off the bat.

    My gpa is my personal goal and is totally irrelevant to nursing. I just want to know as much as I can so I can be competent and having a 4.00 came along with that in my case. And btw, I do just fine on ATI (although I think ATI operates in a state of upsidedown witchcraftery flim flam)

    It seems that any time us students get cut loose on vacation, hard core debates erupt. Like MJ over spring break. We need to keep busy or we all go insane it seems.
    We are just as good as A students,and sometimes if not for the majority of the time we have what is called "street smarts" and run a circles around A students in clinicals,and then if we try hard enough we even get A+
  13. by   gwill
    I couldn't have said it any better, I have always said this. I agree with you one hundred percent

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