Lost 1/4 of our class to the math test in block 3!!  page 2
I'm still in shock. The school is in shock. There were about 27 of us when we took our first math test during orientation for block three. Only five of us passed it. You get three chances, so on... Read More

Jan 30, '07Occupation: LPN Specialty: 1 year(s) of experience in Geriatrics/Family Practice ; Joined: Jan '06; Posts: 500; Likes: 333Sounds like the teacher is alot of the problem. I thoroughly believe that if you have a good teacher, anyone can be taught anything. I was a high school drop out and eventually went back to graduate. I was convinced I was stupid when I started college, but soon came to find out that if a teacher is good, you can be taught anything they are teaching. I worked in a hospital pharmacy for 14 years before going to nursing school. Let me tell you if I had to learn math from my pharmacology teacher and not from my experiences in pharmacy, I would of failed. They give you the book and off you go and best of luck. I ended up tutoring my class on shortcuts of math/dosing calculations because they were almost all lost. There is quite a few ways to do any type of calculations, so if you are just shown the most simple formula you're more likely to catch on and pass. Considering wrong dosing is just a high area of error in nursing you think they would do what they need to do to make sure people get it. Just because these people failed this test doesn't neccessarily mean they are dumb, but maybe they had a poor teacher.

Jan 30, '07Joined: Oct '06; Posts: 1,256; Likes: 66This nation does poorly teaching math. I imagine that these students received an inferior education long before nursing school.

Jan 30, '07Occupation: Haemetology nurse Specialty: Oncology/Haemetology/HIV ; From: US ; Joined: May '02; Posts: 7,040; Likes: 7,483The math used in nursing school is very basic math  not rocket science. The basic principles should have been learned by sixth grade. If they are failing it as adults, there is more to it than one poor teacher.
Yet, in many classes, there is a high failure rate. There was in mine.
Part of it is lack of practice. I balance my check book by hand. If you practice math, it becomes second nature. Too many people use calculators for even the simplest math, and then find that they cannot do it on the own. 
Jan 30, '07Joined: Oct '06; Posts: 1,256; Likes: 66Quote from caroladybelleI'm from the precalculator age and am more comfortable crossmultiplying, and adding in columns. I find calculators tedious and cumbersome. I agree, these days math students don't get enough practice doing math in their heads.The math used in nursing school is very basic math  not rocket science. The basic principles should have been learned by sixth grade. If they are failing it as adults, there is more to it than one poor teacher.
Yet, in many classes, there is a high failure rate. There was in mine.
Part of it is lack of practice. I balance my check book by hand. If you practice math, it becomes second nature. Too many people use calculators for even the simplest math, and then find that they cannot do it on the own.
Basic math ability is inherited, imo. I have a son who is a math genius and it was evident before he was two years old. His kindergarten teacher put on his report card that he could count to 9,999 . He inherited it from his father's family, they were very mathematical. His paternal grandmother was math major, the only woman in her university math program back in the 1930's. He's 21 and making $40,000 a year as a computer programmer. (sorry about the blatent boasting) 
Jan 30, '07Joined: Oct '06; Posts: 1,306; Likes: 243Are these tests for MED math or general math ?

Jan 30, '07Occupation: Diabetes Educator Specialty: 15 year(s) of experience in Diabetes ED, (CDE), CCU, Pulmonary/HIV ; Joined: Jan '07; Posts: 528; Likes: 76Many people are afraid of math of any kind, and the fear sabotages their success. Pharmacology math is basic arithmetic with a little algebra thrown in. Stay calm, relax, and it will flow!

Jan 30, '07Occupation: L&D nurse Joined: May '05; Posts: 516; Likes: 105Quote from iceyspotsCalculations, dosages, conversions, some things like that. A lot of people failed the second test because the tubing drip rate wasn't given, they should've just known from the name of it, I guess. I was lucky enough to pass on the first try, but I've always been pretty good at math. At our school if you don't have it rounded to the right spot (10ths instead of 100ths for example) then you fail, it has to be perfect! We didn't really have a math class to teach us the calculations. You could take one if you wanted to, but it wasn't required.Are these tests for MED math or general math ?

Jan 31, '07Occupation: Med/Surg Specialty: 8 year(s) of experience in ER, Med/Surg ; From: US ; Joined: Aug '06; Posts: 481; Likes: 518We don't have a math "class" to prepare us for the tests. We didn't get one minute of preparation this semester for the test.
There were some discrepancies on the test this time, kicked a few people but after further review the test was found flawed and some answers nulled.
Pat 
Jan 31, '07Occupation: Telemetry/Cardiac RN Specialty: Cardiac/Telemetry ; From: US ; Joined: Jan '07; Posts: 101; Likes: 88Yikes. We get one repeat of the math calculation test at the beginning of each semester and we have to have a score or 90% or above to pass it.

Jan 31, '07Occupation: Urgent Care Joined: Feb '04; Posts: 1,740; Likes: 49I am in 3rd semester, and this semester a group of LPN's bridged in to our program. I am not sure why, but very few passed the first math exam. We'll see what happens in the next 2 weeks.

Jan 31, '07Occupation: LPN Specialty: 1 year(s) of experience in Geriatrics/Family Practice ; Joined: Jan '06; Posts: 500; Likes: 333You guys talk as if nursing math is so simple. I don't know about you but I do have to think about mcg/kg/hr. When doing a dopamine or dobutamine drip rate according to kg/hr, it is challenging and can discourage a student who has not develped this as second nature. Yes there are the basics, but anyone in critical care knows that it can be complicating initially. I guess for some of us nursing calculations were not something we learned in 6th grade.

Feb 1, '07Joined: May '06; Posts: 528; Likes: 343rd semester student here and i'm pretty sure we all passed with at least the 90% required. I don't think any student has ever been dropped from our program due to the math tests.
BUT this makes me think we are getting too easy of questions! 
Feb 1, '07Occupation: Haemetology nurse Specialty: Oncology/Haemetology/HIV ; From: US ; Joined: May '02; Posts: 7,040; Likes: 7,483Quote from GardenDoveWhile it may be "inherited", it generally has little to do with actual genetics and more to do with environment.I'm from the precalculator age and am more comfortable crossmultiplying, and adding in columns. I find calculators tedious and cumbersome. I agree, these days math students don't get enough practice doing math in their heads.
Basic math ability is inherited, imo. I have a son who is a math genius and it was evident before he was two years old. His kindergarten teacher put on his report card that he could count to 9,999 . He inherited it from his father's family, they were very mathematical.
People who are "good at math", are generally that way because they have been required to practice, barred from routine use of calculators as crutches, and encouraged by family games/practices/traditions/education to work with numbers.
As far as mcg/kg/hr  that IS basic math in most nations, not calculus or trigonometry. If it was not learned in grade school, it has more to do with lagging educational standards in some schools/nations. Yes, it is good to use calculators to check work, or as rapid alternative. But if people would do more manual math growing up or in everyday life, these equations would not be that difficult.
As a cashier, I was required to write up sales tickets, add the totals, and calculate tax  then count change back. These days, the computerized register does it. The cashier has no clue how to make change if the system goes down.