Instructors advice re difficulty voiding appropriate???

  1. Ok so I have an instructor who pulled another student aside last week to ask her how she would help her pt. to void. She told him she would run the faucet and force fluids. The instructor then took her out into the hallway and said this...
    "Do you have pubic hair?...I mean are you married? Well when you go home have you hubby pull one of your pubes. It will stimulate you to pee......it works on patients who can't void!! Unless they have landing strips..."

    Is he off the wall of WHAT? This student feels awful about the conversation but is afraid to go to the other nursing instructors. I'm outraged!! I advised her to go speak to someone..but she is afraid he will fail her nursing careplans onsite..and ruin her chance at clinicals.
    I thought I would ask you guys what you think....
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  3. by   jmgrn65
    sounds like sexual harassment to me. It should be reported immediately!
  4. by   truern
    It woud stimulate me to knock his block off!!

    I can't believe an instructor is advocating patient abuse...that's just sad
  5. by   traumaRUs
    Totally wrong and inappropriate. Needs to be referred to the dept head.
  6. by   Cherish
    HUH?!?! R u serious thats awful...Do you have a nursing advisor at the school they can talk to?
  7. by   Lady_in_red
    This was one of the things my instructors told us to do as well. Apparently it does work, especially when the patient is involved in bladder training. Your friend's instructor could have phrased it in a more tactful way though. Pretty much mangled that conversation. How uncomfortable for her!!! If your friend thinks that it was intended as harrassment, she should definetly discuss her concerns with the dean or another professor.
    I think other interventions such as pouring warm water on the perineum, giving the patient time to void, playing music, or having the patient lean forward would come before that suggestion though! I don't think that pulling on the pubic hair is patient abuse-it's not supposed to be done to pain-but I wouldn't do it simply because it could be mistaken for abuse. I'd give this as a suggestion for the patient to do themselves, but otherwise I would be worried about allegations.
  8. by   traumaRUs
    Pulling pubic hair is assault - please site the source of your information. I've been a nurse for a number of years and NEVER, EVER would do such a nonsensical thing. Again...please provide us a source for this info. Thanks
  9. by   slou!
    I am not a nurse, and although this might work, but could you IMAGINE? If you were a patient and a nurse did this? I'm not saying anyone posted saying that they should, I'm just saying, it may work but I highly doubt the patient would like it very much!
  10. by   Miss Chybil RN
    Why did he have to ask if she had pubes, or not? Seems, if this is a valid approach, he could have explained it to everyone in the class without asking your fellow student's marital status and the status of her pubic hair in private. It sounds off to me.
  11. by   Halinja
    Quote from Miss_Chybil
    Why did he have to ask if she had pubes, or not? Seems, if this is a valid approach, he could have explained it to everyone in the class without asking your fellow student's marital status and the status of her pubic hair in private. It sounds off to me.
    Exactly. If it were information needed for practice, he should have told everyone...in post conference or whatever. The asking if she has pubic hair moves it directly into harrassment, IMO.

    I'm with TraumaRU's, I would really like to know the source/citation for that as a legit intervention.
  12. by   Daytonite
    i have been an rn for 30 years and spent most of my clinical years in med/surg and working in nursing homes. i've never heard of such a bizarre thing. not only that, but pulling hair would be an invasive procedure. even people who do electrolysis which involves removal of hair have to be licensed and take precautions to prevent infection. hair removal, including the hair follicle, subjects a patient to the danger of an open wound, bleeding and infection. the potential for a malpractice suit based on a complication occurring from doing something like this would be astronomical. the pubic area is not likely to be the cleanest area of the body. i wouldn't do anything like this without making sure a facility had a policy in place for it or being instructed in the proper procedure on it. i'd also want to see some nursing references on this as well to convince me that this is a legitimate nursing intervention to stimulate urination.

    as for the op, i'd encourage your fellow student to approach this with the instructor exactly as i did above. it does sound a bit funny to me that a male instructor would mention something like this to a female student. how come the instructor wasn't thinking about policy or procedure or the fact that something like this is invasive and could result in potential complications? he's some kind of nurse! made me think of the anita hill thing with the pubic hair on the top of the pop can thing during the federal hearings for the supreme court nomination of clarence what'shisname. if i were in your shoes, i'd bring up this subject of pulling pubic hair to stimulate urination in the presence of other instructors and students as nonchalantly as possible and sit back and watch what happens. in other words, make sure you have plenty of witnesses. and, when someone asks where you guys heard about this, make sure this male clinical instructor gets full credit for it!
  13. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    That instructor needs their head examined.
  14. by   firstaiddave907
    that sounds very inaproate on the instructors part i would go to a dean at the school and explain what happened. well i could understand the instructor saying that if it where for information for practice and the instructor told the whole class instead of just bringing her aside and telling her that it is defiantly harassment.

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