Grades- do instructors round up? - page 4
Hi =) I was just wondering if instructors will generally round up to the nearest whole number when it comes to grades? In our nursing student handbook, it only states that 95-100% is an A, 93-94%... Read More
May 15, '09Occupation: RN Joined: Aug '08; Posts: 74; Likes: 21Quote from ~FutureNurse~No there isn't. But as my CI told the students in our class what are you going to do when you are on the job when you are having to look everything up because you did not learn it while in school. You are going to have very angry coworkers and doctors yelling at you all the time.Well, I hate to bust your little bubble..but (at most schools) C DOES equal RN, and there is really nothing you can do about that now is there?
May 15, '09Joined: Jan '08; Posts: 426; Likes: 210Quote from ~FutureNurse~Ok, you keep working on compassion and putting yourself in other shoes, Ill be in the corner studying and knocking out those A's. We shall see who gets further.I think something you need to learn (and quicky) is that it takes alot more than making an A on a test to be a nurse. It takes compassion (which you seem to be lacking in), it takes putting yourself in other's shoes. So what if some people can read a textbook and make an A on a test. While others study just as hard and still make a C. People are different, and have different life situations. You shouldn't be so judgmental, and call people "mediocre" when you really don't know anything about them or their life. Some people have learning disorders, or terrible test anxiety. Are you saying these people will not make as good a nurse as you will? Shame on you if you really think that. I hope that is not what you think,and I have just read/understood your statments wrongly. I don't understand why some people are like this. We are all going through the same thing. You think we would all look out for each other. Who knows?
May 15, '09Joined: Oct '07; Posts: 254; Likes: 45lol---your poor soul! Darlin' I hate to tell you, but we have to keep an 80 at my school. So, I am still doing well. At least a B, and I have compassion. So--I think I will go further. God help the poor people who have to work with you.
May 15, '09Occupation: Cat mom, doting wife. Specialty: Psych. ; From: US ; Joined: May '07; Posts: 411; Likes: 337In my nursing program there is no rounding.
76.99% = FAIL
This is clearly outlined in our nursing program handbook and in each class' syllabus. There have been people who have complained, but the instructors stood their ground and the students ended up repeating the class. There does have to be a line drawn. So what if I want an A but I have a 92.49%, should they round that too? After all, it's only 0.01% away from the rounding cutoff, right?
I see nothing wrong with not rounding, because it's getting something you didn't earn.
May 15, '09Joined: Mar '08; Posts: 3,791; Likes: 3,438Depends entirely on your school. My grad school rounds up if it's over 0.5.
May 15, '09Occupation: Registered Nurse - Cardiothoracic Step-Down Unit Specialty: 2 year(s) of experience in Cardiothoracic ; From: US ; Joined: Jan '07; Posts: 62; Likes: 13I missed an A- by 0.05% in my advanced med-surg class last semester. 89.95% I was begging on my hands and knees for them to round up, but our entire department has a policy that they don't round up. This semester I'm going to miss a B+ in Ob by 0.06 percent also!! I have a 86.94% and need a 87 for a B+!! AHHHH!! I'm a total type A personality! It kills me!!
May 15, '09Occupation: Staff Educator Specialty: Pediatrics ; From: US ; Joined: Apr '03; Posts: 2,280; Likes: 1,397Wow, this thread has bitter written all over it
Where I teach, we round up the final grade if it is over 0.5. It is the school policy, and not left up to the individual instructors. 80 is passing, so 79.5 gets rounded up to 80. 79.4 would not get rounded up. It is what it is. There needs to be a solid line. If you let the 79.4 pass, then it becomes 79.3, and so on. Can we round up for students to get an A?
Contrary to what you all believe, it is HEARTBRAKING for professors to see students fail by 1 point (or a fraction of a point). Especially when you know the students are trying so hard. But the reality is, not all of them are trying as hard. And not all of them are cut out to pass. If a student was carrying a failing average throughout the semester, and was depending on the final to pass, the odds of that happening are extremely thin. Not impossible, but very slim. If they could not get a 90 or better on the individual exams, how could they suddenly get a 90+ on a cumulative exam? These are often the ones who 'fail by one point', when in reality they needed more than one point on any given exam to boost their average.
May 15, '09From: US ; Joined: Apr '09; Posts: 288; Likes: 161i also like teachers who curve, not rounding up but normal gives an artificial inflation in a really tough/lot of people failing class so it doesn't matter.
May 15, '09Occupation: Surgical Nurse Specialty: 2 year(s) of experience in Operating Room, Long Term Care ; From: US ; Joined: Apr '09; Posts: 100; Likes: 35They do round at my school. An A is a 93.5 or higher, but our assignments and papers do not count toward our grade unless you are passing with a 79.5 at the end of the semester. The rounding was just started this year due to the fact that not many A's were given out and with 80 being passing some students with 79.5 or higher weren't passing.
May 15, '09Occupation: allnurses Content/Community Director Specialty: Peds, Med-Surg, Disaster Nsg, Parish Nsg ; From: US ; Joined: Jun '06; Posts: 25,350; Likes: 18,437staff reminder........
please stay on topic and refrain from personal attacks.
May 15, '09Occupation: personal banker From: US ; Joined: Apr '08; Posts: 196; Likes: 80Well I guess it's time for my
What I don't understand is WHY any aspiring nurse would want to just barely get by... I haven't started nursing school yet, but I personally would not WANT to just get by in a course if I hadn't mastered the material---peoples' lives will be in my hands and I absolutely need to know what I am doing so I would consider needing to retake a course a GOOD thing, getting finished or graduating with your class is no where near as important as knowing your stuff. Just like I have heard people complain about dosage tests---and my thoughts were "are you serious?" Imagine working with babies or children and giving them too much because you can't calculate dosages 100% of the time...sorry but if I can't do that I don't want to be a Nurse---I could never live with myself if a mistake I made led to something serious or disasterous for my patients.
As far as rounding goes, I have always learned throughout school (from 1st grade onward) that a 95.96% is 96% so, I don't have any problems with rounding up in this regard because I have never seen someone consider 95.96% as 95%....but if your school clearly lays out that a 95.96% will not be rounded well than you don't have a leg to stand on.
May 15, '09Occupation: RN Specialty: 1 year(s) of experience in CVICU, anesthesia ; From: US ; Joined: Feb '09; Posts: 120; Likes: 186Quote from nursing student 19When I said that the person who scored 75% should consider retaking the course to master the material, I meant so they could get a 95%...which is what I consider mastering the material. Are you proud of your 3.0 because you truly feel like you have mastered everything they have taught you? I highly doubt it. IMO, 3.0 is nothing to be proud of. To me, saying you're proud of your 3.0 is like saying "I'm only going to work as hard as I absolutely have to just to get by and no harder, and I don't really care how well I know the material."Oh Please ! If my nurse got 75 % all through NS... Who cares ?! If 75 % means that she's " mastered" the course then so be it. As long as she's competent and caring, who cares about whether she scored A's in B's in nursing school. C nurses ARE nurses too.
If I'm sick in the hospital I don't want a snobby A/B nurse taking care of me.
FYI- I'm 3.0 student and proud of it baby.
C nurses are nurses, too, but who's to say they are as good as the A nurses? You go ahead and take the nurse who barely passed since he/she won't be "snobby," because I want the smart snobby ones for myself and my family!
May 15, '09Occupation: RN Specialty: 1 year(s) of experience in CVICU, anesthesia ; From: US ; Joined: Feb '09; Posts: 120; Likes: 186Quote from ~FutureNurse~The definition of mediocre on dictionary.com is: "of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate." A "C" student is mediocre, they are barely adequate because they are barely passing, and yet they are not failing so they are not bad. It is not a judgmental statement to say that a "C" student is mediocre, it is just the truth.I think something you need to learn (and quicky) is that it takes alot more than making an A on a test to be a nurse. It takes compassion (which you seem to be lacking in), it takes putting yourself in other's shoes. So what if some people can read a textbook and make an A on a test. While others study just as hard and still make a C. People are different, and have different life situations. You shouldn't be so judgmental, and call people "mediocre" when you really don't know anything about them or their life. Some people have learning disorders, or terrible test anxiety. Are you saying these people will not make as good a nurse as you will? Shame on you if you really think that. I hope that is not what you think,and I have just read/understood your statments wrongly. I don't understand why some people are like this. We are all going through the same thing. You think we would all look out for each other. Who knows?
And I whole-heartedly agree with you that being a good nurse takes much more than just getting A's. However, getting A's is a very good start...if you really know the material backwards and forwards, it will probably come much more naturally to you in the clinical setting. And I also agree that compassion is an extremely important quality in a nurse, but from my experiences, some of the "C" students in my class are some of the biggest jerks (talking negatively about their patients...I even overheard one saying that the patient deserved to be dying of liver failure because he was an alcoholic!!!!!). What is to say a "C" student is more compassionate than an "A" student? Absolutely nothing.