facial mask of pain...is this ssubjective or objective data

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  3. by   Bonny619
    I would say objective, you can see it.
  4. by   lpnin07
    subjective because you can't actually measure it. Like for example vitals have a number that you can measure them by ( making them objective )
  5. by   Pachinko
    That's hard, but I'd say objective, for the reason that Bonny619 gave.
  6. by   sirI
  7. by   Halinja
    Subjective and Objective are a little different in nursing than in english classes, or regular life for that matter.

    In nursing, Subjective data is data that you are told, or that you gleaned from a written record.

    Objective Data is information that you see (or hear...lung sounds etc) smell, taste (my peds teacher says you can do a quick sodium check on a child's skin to see if they might have cystic fibrosis). Basically anything you can percieve with your senses.
    Last edit by Halinja on Oct 26, '06
  8. by   Imafloat
    I say it is objective because you are seeing it and giving it the name facial mask of pain. Subjective is what the subject (patient) tells you. Examples of subjective pain references are the character of pain (burning, stabbing) the pain rating (when you ask what the pain is on a scale of 1-10).
  9. by   I RN A
    It's subjective: pain is the pt's response to illness, although it can be measure on the scale from 0 to 10, it's still subjective, because pain is the pt's perception.
  10. by   Melina
    Quote from Halinja
    Subjective and Objective are a little different in nursing than in english classes, or regular life for that matter.

    In nursing, Subjective data is data that you are told, or that you gleaned from a written record.

    Objective Data is information that you see (or hear...lung sounds etc) smell, taste (my peds teacher says you can do a quick sodium check on a child's skin to see if they might have cystic fibrosis). Basically anything you can percieve with your senses.
    I agree. If one were to report that the pt said she was experiencing severe pain, that would be subjective, but the observable signs of pain: grimacing, jerking away, etc. are objective.

    ~Mel'
  11. by   nicuRN2007
    objective...it's something you observe, not something the patient tells you.

    Also, the link from Kaiser that siri posted states:

    The assessment of the patient with pain shall include objective data.
    1. Vital signs (blood pressure, pulse and respiration).
    2. Patient behavior (grimacing, frowning, crying out or guarding).
    3. Emotional expressions such as anger, depression, irritability, fear.
    Last edit by nicuRN2007 on Oct 26, '06
  12. by   scaredofshots
    Subjective is what Someone Said

    Objective is what is Observed
  13. by   smk1
    Objective. It is what you observe in the patient. When the patient tells you it is a "burning pain 3/10" that is subjective, because it is based ONLY on what the patient tells you.
  14. by   ernbabjr
    Quote from ILoveScrubs
    objective...it's something you observe, not something the patient tells you.

    Also, the link from Kaiser that siri posted states:

    The assessment of the patient with pain shall include objective data.
    1. Vital signs (blood pressure, pulse and respiration).
    2. Patient behavior (grimacing, frowning, crying out or guarding).
    3. Emotional expressions such as anger, depression, irritability, fear.
    Yes i agree with this.. the explanation was very clear: Objective is the only answer unless it was told you or by verbaly it would be subjective.

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