boneheads who want to be spoonfed!!

kirbi · Feb 19, 2005

I am in first semester ADN. I have been listening for 6 weeks now to the other students telling me, bragging actually, that they didn't do any of the reading. Well, now, we are getting into some of the meatier subjects... gone is the history of nursing... now we get pathophysiology. This week, I hear "I tried the reading, but it is too hard and besides the instructor hasn't tested from the reading yet!" Well, her lecture notes just skim the surface of this material. Thursday, I got a lot of "I don't understand the lecture!" and "Why does she focus so much on what side of the heart does what?" Finally, I couldn't stand it anymore, I said "Do the reading!" Then I hear "Oh my god! You mean you did ALL THAT reading?" I replied matter-of-factly "Yes and I made notes of things like S/S's, risk factors, nursing interventions, nursing Dx's, etc" so I hear "I don't have the time for that much work!"

OH MY GOD! I am NOT going to listen to the other students anymore.

We were all told during the pre-req's and the nursing guidance course that there would be tons of reading and that it would be difficult material. They all knew this going in and all swore up and down they could do it. They even had to pass a reading competency test. What did they expect???

:uhoh3: kirbi

DenaInWyo · Feb 19, 2005

Would it be possible for you and the students in your class who feel the same way you do to also file a complaint..complaining that the class should remain the way it is and that you don't want to do group work?

I HATE group work. I can't think of a single thing good about it. It does NOT give you real world team experience. In the real world, when you work as a team, there are set leaders, and set consequences for the slackers. It may take awhile, but eventually those who don't pull their weight generally get fired. I am paying WAAAAAY too much money for my education to have it rely in any way shape or form on anyone other than myself and the instructor. It is completely unreasonable to ask a tuition paying student to have their outcome based partly on what a fellow student does or does not do.

Whoah, maybe I should tell everyone how I really feel :chuckle

Deana

chilloutrelax · Feb 21, 2005

I think you all should stop whining! :rotfl: It doesn't matter if the class is hard or not...you will learn what you learn. Some people can pass a test and not know the material, and vice versa. I wouldn't be so concerned with the other students. If the class is just A&P, I don't see the harm in making it easier.

jenrninmi, MSN, RN · Feb 21, 2005

I think you all should stop whining! :rotfl: It doesn't matter if the class is hard or not...you will learn what you learn. Some people can pass a test and not know the material, and vice versa. I wouldn't be so concerned with the other students. If the class is just A&P, I don't see the harm in making it easier.

I think the point was - they need to know their stuff. Why make A & P easy and then get into Nursing school and not know how to study? :stone

crb613, BSN, RN · Feb 21, 2005

I think the point was - they need to know their stuff. Why make A & P easy and then get into Nursing school and not know how to study? :stone

Bingo!

nrse2B2005 · Feb 21, 2005

grrrrr!!! Our A&P professor has told us that a couple of students have filed complaints about the class. We have only had 1 test, and it was mostly fill in the blanks. These people complained that all of our tests should be multiple choice (its too much writing and too difficult to remember that much material) and that the professor should use more handouts (meaning handouts of what information we should know) and that they want "group work".
Come on. Seriously? As far as the tests go, either you know the material or you dont! It should not matter what format the test is given in! I am in the same class and wrote the same test....98%. If I (and other classmates) can score 80% or higher, then I think its a matter of these other folks not trying hard enough.
As for handouts, each class we are given a handout with an outline of whats being covered. Its up to you to do the reading and make notes. These boneheads want all the material given out! They dont want to do the work!!!
And group work....geez....we dont have time for that! Not only that, they want to be given a good grade for nothing! Our professor doesnt want to add that to our plate, but he's being forced by the Nursing Director!
I cant believe how some people can be! This is College! You need to do the work! Yes, its a lot of work, but come on! It can be done! I'm proof of that!
It ticks me off when people want the easy way out in life.
Sigh. I have to get back to my reading now!

I personally hate fill-ins. But a friend of mine just took the NCLEX and stated that there were fill-ins!. I guess your pre-reqs will prep you well.

Lots of luck,

Andrea

MryRose · Feb 21, 2005

The sad part is, these are the people who end up taking space in nursing school, and end up dropping out because it's soooo hard.

I already can see a number of them in my Physiology and microbiology class. And with the only ADN program being lottery based, it does make me a bit miffed.

Of course Nursing School is going to be hard. Some of these people expect all the answers to be given to them without much work. The whole process has been a building block approach for me. As I go thru more classes, I gain more skills to prepare myself. I've learned how to self monitor and prepare myself for tests and how to retain knowledge that I will need later.

The "slackers" bypass this process. Sure, it bites them in the end, but it still effects me when they are taking up space in class, have lackluster attitudes about learning and generally disregard the education system as a whole.

I think it's the whole idea of getting something without working for it that bugs me the most. I work my butt off for every grade I get. Nobody gives it to me, I do it for myself.

I do wish that they would crack down during pre-req's...... do the work or get out. Plain and simple. This babying them thru the system doesn't help anyone.

Aneroo, LPN · Feb 21, 2005

Ah... Same problem here. I would get so frustrated at people in AP who were "Why did I do so bad on this test?". Well, quit talking during class, and STUDY!

One of our lead instructors told us this semester something they've recently figured out. During orientation for the ADN program, we had to take a math and reading test. As she was putting info in on people who had flunked out of the program, she realized ALL of them had graded poorly on the reading comphrension. They're going to start requiring a pre-nursing test, before you get in.

We had classmates who would ask the same questions "Is this on the test? How many questions?" Some teachers would tell us "This is on the test", others would not. As I've gone along, I've figured out how most of the teachers test. However, some of it is common sense. If you spend two days on a subject, I would think there would be more of that info on the test, rather than the stuff she just said "Read this". I think it goes back to test taking skills. I do not mind fill in the blanks, multi choice, whatever. They're going to be screwed when it comes time to take their NCLEX, and they're expecting a clear cut ABCD option test. -Andrea