working on Christmas? - page 7
I've been a nurse for almost 8 years. I have always volunteered to work EVERY holiday (newyears, 4th of July, Thanksgiving etc...) just to have Christmas off to be with my family. I am 6 months... Read More
Nov 20, '05Quote from dorimarobviously, it matters to you. but it shouldn't need to matter to your co-workers. your co-workers are just as deserving of a holiday off as you are, and they shouldn't have to suck it up and work your christmas for you. after all, you are the one who chose to have the children. it is highly unlikely that your co-workers impregnated you against your will. and you are the one who chose to continue working in the hospital setting after you had your children. someone has to work the holidays, and it shouldn't matter who has kids and who doesn't -- we're all deserving of the holiday off. so we take turns. suck it up and deal.here is what i think.... it does too matter if you have kids. i have been doing this 20 years. .
ruby (who doesn't have children after a bout of cervical cancer in her 20s, but would love to spend christmas with her aging parents and her step-daughter.)
Nov 20, '05[QUOTE=dorimar]Here is what i think.... It DOES TOO matter if you have kids. IQUOTE]
While I value that you have an opinion, I totally disagree!
Because I do not have children, does not mean that I don't have other family that I would like to see on Christmas. My nieces and nephews mean the world to me, and I do not see them very often. Would it be fair to say to them, "Sorry I can't spend time with you at the holidays, I have to compensate for people that have their OWN kids!"
Yikes! Holidays are just as important to me, I'm sure, as they are to you.
Nov 20, '05Working nights, there is twice the holidays to worry about.
Nov 20, '05So you didn't work all those Christmases years ago as a future trade, but the nurses junior to you must give up their Christmas with their family because you did it before and now have kids? No one should have to work every holiday, but apparently it is your turn to work Christmas this year. It isn't very nice but my gut reaction is "Deal." Are you going to want every Christmas off until your son turns 12, or 18?
Having worked many Christmases before your younger coworkers were probably even nurses doesn't mean they owe you Christmas off- your working every Christmas for the last however many years it was benefited your coworkers and mangement at that time- today's coworkers can not be expected to repay a favor you did for someone else long ago.
At work we are all nurses- not nurses with families, not nurses with young kids, not nurses who have daycare or soccer or ballet problems, just nurses. The job has it's requirements and many of us resent people who use non-work reasons to pass their work responsibilities on to others. Seniority has a place in the world, but everyone has to take their turn at the unpleasant parts of the job.
I am sorry you did not get your first choice of holiday off, but you can't have every Christmas off for 18 years. You might not make it home before your son wakes up, but why should your coworkers miss their holiday with their family because you chose to have a child? A child who could be still enjoying the anticipation when you got home?
I've worked extra holidays in my day, too, but I don't think anyone owes me anything for it. Next year I'll have a young child at Christmas time- and I'll be on for my baby's first Christmas. If a coworkers is willing to change with me, I'll pay whatever price he/she asks. If not, it's my turn and since I accepted the responsibility of the job I will be there.
Nov 20, '05The solution to anyone feeling "screwed" by the holiday schedule lies in creative scheduling, designed by those who do the work. Esp for nights, this is critical.
Here is how it works where I am: the shifts are split into 6 hour blocks we can sign up for one or two or more as we choose-----and they really do fill up very quickly. Everyone is happy w/this.
Talk about creative: I am working a weird split, but it will work for me. I am doing a 1p to 1a on Christmas Eve-----to satisfy a need for a dayshift afternoon on Christmas Eve and a Nightshift first half need 7p-1a which was unfilled. It works for us all....I get to go home at 1a and get a few hours' sleep before the kids get up....and spend the day w/them. The nurses are happy cause everyone is getting time off for the family. Working voluntary 6-hour shifts has worked well for years where I am. No one feels "screwed" this way, not even us night-shifters.
Nov 20, '05For those of you that think it's not your problem .... Shame on you. You all had your childhoods too. Your are not just taking it from the parents, but from the children as well.
Nov 20, '05Quote from sjrn85My thoughts exactly.The attitude posed by Dorimar is precisely one of the reasons I stopped doing all the holidays. This is not meant to flame her personally, but the post just is a perfect example of what I have put up with for 20+ years.
I was not involved in someone else's choice to have children and go into nursing, so it is not my responsibility to ensure that that person has his/her perfect vision of Christmas.
People without children have friends, lives, and rights. As someone else said, cowboy up and do your share, or get a job where holidays aren't an issue.
As far as nailing down a future date as a "trade" for working Christmas, I tried that. Amazing how "something came up" every time that date rolled around.
Having kids does not make someone entitled to being first in line for day shift, holidays off, and all of the other few perks that come along. :angryfire
Nov 20, '05The ones "Taking anything from their children" would be those entering nursing in the first place, not their coworkers, whether they have kids or not. What did you think NURSING WAS????
It's not a 9-5 banker's job. Don't enter nursing if you don't want to "take from your kids' holidays", period. Time for some people to GROW UP.
Nov 20, '05OK my last post on this thread. i promise. Y'all keep quoting me and leaving out the important stuff. That is NOT fair. I said it does TOO matter if you have kids. I believe that it does. I do NOT believe that I should get every holiday off and those with kids shouldn't. I said I agreed to work CHRISTMAS, THANKSGIVING & NEWYEARS EVE!!! Just wanted Christmas eve off to be home in the morning. I had COMPROMISE all over my posts, and no one quoted that. I also said that before i had children, i volunteered to work Christmas and christmas eve for those that did have children, and will do that again in the future when my son is older, because I think Christmas with your children is important. I HAVE NEVER ASKED A CO-WORKER TO WORK MY SCHEDULED HOLIDAY--EVER in 20 years, but have instead as I said, volunteered to work theirs. My beef is that you can just walk into a job now days and get whatever you want despite those of us that have been plugging away for years putting in our time. In this day and age it seems people go from 1 job to another, collect their sign on bonus, state their demands( & get them) & then leave to the next job and sign on bonus. Most of you must be new to nursing to not have this be a sore point with you. Maybe that's why none of you have commented on my senioritiy point. I don't want you all to work every holiday because i have kids and have been a nurse for 20 years. I just want my 1st choice off only, which is Christmas Eve, because I have been loyal to the SAME PLACE for 7 years, and have done my share and am still doing my share. Holiday schedules suck in our profession. I think it is worse now, because people go into nursing for more material reasons than when i started, so there is a whole different kind of person in the field now. Consequently, i truly believe the profession, as a whole, lacks the compassion and caring that it use to have (for our peers, our patients & their families) Now that's a whole nother can of worms, and I know i pissed some of you off, so i'll excuse myself from this thread now
Nov 21, '05Quote from dorimarIn all fairness, it is you that left out something from your original post, it was this:OK my last post on this thread. i promise. Y'all keep quoting me and leaving out the important stuff. That is NOT fair. ...
Here is what i think.... It DOES TOO matter if you have kids. I have been doing this 20 years. When I first got my RN i was only 20 and obviously had no children. I was low man on the totem poll and did whatever they told me. I had no problem working WHATEVER was asked. It WAS hard working CHristmas when you've just left home and want to go back etc. However, I DID put in my time and NOW I have children and all I ask is to be there when they wake up in the morning on CHRISTMAS DAY( i work nights). For those of you that think it's not your problem .... Shame on you.
I got what you said about compromise, I merely "got" the other stuff too, like how you think it is my problem you want to be home with your kids.
I think it is the part about shame on us that caused the hackles to be raised.
Nov 21, '05ok, so not my last post then. I didn't leave it out, I wrote it. I did say "shame on you", because the holiday scheudle IS your problem. maybe "my kids" aren't your problem, but my needs should be. It is what we make it. As i said before, compromise is important. I actually had a nurse aske me if i would work her New Years Eve one year, & I said sure so you want my Thanksgiving? her response was absolutly not. Here is the thing, we all have different needs and wants. Yours aren't any more or less important than mine. I think children are important so i have acted accordingly prior to having them, because i cared about my peers. I have done similar things for my peers without children. I guess i am just dissappointed that the concern for each others' needs is completely gone now. So yeah..... Shame on you.Last edit by dorimar on Nov 21, '05
Nov 21, '05Quote from dorimarConsidering that I have volunteered (and worked) every single Christmas Eve as well as Christmas when working in any hospital, your point is lost on me.ok, so not my last post then. I didn't leave it out, I wrote it. I did say "shame on you", because the holiday scheudle IS your problem. It is what we make it. As i said before, compromise is important. I actually had a nurse aske me if i would work her New Years Eve one year, & I said sure so you want my Thanksgiving? her response was absolutly not. Here is the thing, we all have different needs and wants. Yours aren't any more or less important than mine. I think children are important so i have acted accordingly prior to having them, because i cared about my peers. I have done similar things for my peers without children. I guess i am just dissappointed that the concern for each others' needs is completely gone now. So yeah..... Shame on you.
Nov 21, '05Well then, Bipley, good for you. However, the underlying theme of this thread seems to be "your problems are none of my concern". That is what my "shame on you " was aimed at.