Why NANDA-NIC-NOC are not open source?

  1. I mean that NANDA pretends to make its diagnoses a normalized standard to provide nursing care around the world.

    But by the another hand the fact in which NANDA does not provide and free that diagnoses is highly harming to is own purpose.

    Under the pretext of being able to finance the congresses they are spoiling the opportunity to create a common language for all proffesionals.

    Why not a free and open source formula?

    How efficient is a method that requires all proffesionals to buy a very expensive book and licenses?

    If I make a copy of the NANDA in order to study, disclose or work, I am committing an intellectual property crime.

    I think that is a paradox a "universal language" with that handicap and it won't improve nursing at all.
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  3. by   cleback
    Agreed. Kind of like our health care system in general though-- dedicated to improving the health of those that can afford it.
  4. by   Elfriede
    It´s time for a Care-Wiki.
  5. by   Here.I.Stand
    I see what you're saying, but at the same time meh.... I haven't used NANDA-approved language since school anyway. My NDx'ed go something more like: "Pt's BP in toilet because all of his blood gushing from his rectum," or "pt has horrendous pain because his flipping face is shattered."

    I don't so much have use for a group who legitimized "disturbed energy field" as a NDx.
  6. by   MunoRN
    Free use of copyrighted material is legally allowed for educational purposes. I've never seen NANDA used by facilities who would potentially need to pay for use of their copyrighted language, and accreditation groups typically don't approve of the use of NANDA language, so it's usually not an issue in those settings. Even in education it seems to be used less, there are a number of nursing schools in my area that do not use NANDA language in their curriculum.
  7. by   jesusignazio
    Quote from MunoRN
    Free use of copyrighted material is legally allowed for educational purposes. I've never seen NANDA used by facilities who would potentially need to pay for use of their copyrighted language, and accreditation groups typically don't approve of the use of NANDA language, so it's usually not an issue in those settings. Even in education it seems to be used less, there are a number of nursing schools in my area that do not use NANDA language in their curriculum.
    Well...

    "The NANDA-I terminology is a copyrighted terminology, therefore no part of the NANDA-I publication, NANDA International Nursing Diagnoses: Definitions and Classification, can be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording or otherwise without the prior permission of the publisher."

    Source: Can I republish part or all of the NANDA-I terminology (e.g., the list of nursing diagnosis labels or specific diagnoses) in other textbooks, or enter the terms into our electronic health record or other computerized application? Could I translate it into my own language? | NANDA International Knowledgebase

    Meanwhile:

    ICD-1 - Wikipedia

    I challenge you to find the Nanda taxonomy in a link without using mega or torrent links.
  8. by   djh123
    This is why I hate acronyms. I have no idea what NANDA-NIC-NOC is, but it sounds like a new product from Ronco (you older nurses will remember that). "The new NANDA-NIC-NOC! No kitchen is complete without it! It slices, it dices, it grates! And if you order now, we'll throw in the indispensable Klutter-Kracker-Nacker too! Only $29.99! But wait! There's more! Free shipping! That's right! Call 1-800-SKR-BRNM (Sucker-born-every-minute) NOW!
  9. by   Here.I.Stand
    Quote from djh123
    This is why I hate acronyms. I have no idea what NANDA-NIC-NOC is, but it sounds like a new product from Ronco (you older nurses will remember that). "The new NANDA-NIC-NOC! No kitchen is complete without it! It slices, it dices, it grates! And if you order now, we'll throw in the indispensable Klutter-Kracker-Nacker too! Only $29.99! But wait! There's more! Free shipping! That's right! Call 1-800-SKR-BRNM (Sucker-born-every-minute) NOW!
    North American Nursing Dx Assn (Now NANDA-I, with the I for "International"), Nursing Interventions Classification, Nursing Outcomes Classification.

    And I about died laughing at your infomercial!
  10. by   CharleeFoxtrot
    Quote from Here.I.Stand
    I don't so much have use for a group who legitimized "disturbed energy field" as a NDx.

    Pretty much sums it up for me. I always envisioned a bunch of grumpy harpies sitting around the break room expressing their disgust that "nurses DON'T diagnose" and deciding to create their own little language that they feel addresses this lack and shores up their egos when in fact it does the exact opposite. Kind of like the Emperor's New Clothes - nothing but air.

    But that's just me
  11. by   meanmaryjean
    Quote from djh123
    This is why I hate acronyms. I have no idea what NANDA-NIC-NOC is, but it sounds like a new product from Ronco (you older nurses will remember that). "The new NANDA-NIC-NOC! No kitchen is complete without it! It slices, it dices, it grates! And if you order now, we'll throw in the indispensable Klutter-Kracker-Nacker too! Only $29.99! But wait! There's more! Free shipping! That's right! Call 1-800-SKR-BRNM (Sucker-born-every-minute) NOW!
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  12. by   MunoRN
    Quote from jesusignazio
    Well...

    "The NANDA-I terminology is a copyrighted terminology, therefore no part of the NANDA-I publication, NANDA International Nursing Diagnoses: Definitions and Classification, can be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording or otherwise without the prior permission of the publisher."

    Source: Can I republish part or all of the NANDA-I terminology (e.g., the list of nursing diagnosis labels or specific diagnoses) in other textbooks, or enter the terms into our electronic health record or other computerized application? Could I translate it into my own language? | NANDA International Knowledgebase

    Meanwhile:

    ICD-1 - Wikipedia

    I challenge you to find the Nanda taxonomy in a link without using mega or torrent links.
    That answer is in response to use in an EMR which would require licensing from NANDA, your post asked about making a copy in order to study, copyright law specifically exempts copyright protections for "one-time educational purposes". Exceptions & Limitations: Classroom Use, Fair Use, and more * University of Minnesota Libraries

    A proprietary EMR would certainly have to pay a licensing fee to NANDA, however I've never seen an EMR that utilizes NANDA, partly because that would conflict with regulatory and meaningful use requirements that all care planning utilize language that is commonly understood between disciplines.
  13. by   gypsierose
    Quote from Here.I.Stand
    I see what you're saying, but at the same time meh.... I haven't used NANDA-approved language since school anyway. My NDx'ed go something more like: "Pt's BP in toilet because all of his blood gushing from his rectum," or "pt has horrendous pain because his flipping face is shattered."

    I don't so much have use for a group who legitimized "disturbed energy field" as a NDx.
    THIS ALL OF THIS! Why we have to spend time on this crap is completely beyond me. Nursing is fantastic without all of this.
  14. by   Knotanoonurse
    Quote from djh123
    This is why I hate acronyms. I have no idea what NANDA-NIC-NOC is, but it sounds like a new product from Ronco (you older nurses will remember that). "The new NANDA-NIC-NOC! No kitchen is complete

    without it! It slices, it dices, it grates! And if you order now, we'll throw in the indispensable Klutter-Kracker-Nacker too! Only $29.99! But wait! There's more! Free shipping! That's right! Call 1-800-SKR-BRNM (Sucker-born-every-minute) NOW!
    If you act now you also can recieve a free Set of Ginsu knives!

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