Why is it... (nurses constantly throw jabs at physicans)

Energizer Bunny · May 25, 2004

Is everyone hormonal lately or what? We are picking on each other for spelling errors? OIY...what next?

Truly_Blessed · May 25, 2004

They seem to be, lol.

Is everyone hormonal lately or what? We are picking on each other for spelling errors? OIY...what next?

BeenThereDoneThat74, MSN, RN · May 25, 2004

OIY...what next?

It's OYE, not OIY!! :chuckle just kidding. Apparently this is an issue on other bb's as well. I'm not the best typist in the world, and no offense, i don't feel the need to proofread my posts. If I catch a typo before I send it, I'll correct it. If not, oh well.

Marie_LPN, RN, LPN, RN · May 25, 2004

I'm not the best typist in the world, and no offense, i don't feel the need to proofread my posts. If I catch a typo before I send it, I'll correct it. If not, oh well.

My theory as well.

allnurses Guide · May 25, 2004

Tweety, thanks for this. I've been reading this thread for a few days and I have to finally say that what I think the OP was talking about was what I noticed in nursing school and when I became a nurse and what I still see and that is an attitude of bashing other folks as a whole. There are jerks everywhere, in every profession and to catagorize all people in a profession in a negative manner is unfair and unproductive.
My work experience is like Tweety's . . . . the docs I work with are professional with the nursing staff, appreciate our work and say so. Sometimes one will have a bad day for who knows what reason and be grumpy but then so are some of the nurses grumpy sometimes and can act a little short with co-workers.
Guess what, I've met nurses with superiorty complexes but that doesn't mean all nurses feel that way. I had a colleague come to me stunned because she had been berated by a RN who told her that "I'm a RN, I didn't go to school to copy some D$%!N form and hand it over to you". Since when is copying something beneath anyone or just being polite to another co-worker so hard?
I guess what I've come away with in this conversation is the OP found all the comments about docs to be unprofessional and I have to agree. It is like man-bashing . . . all men are supposedly male chauvinist pigs who beat their wives during the SuperBowl.
Stereotypes get us nowhere.
And I like Marie's quote "Nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent"---Eleanor Roosevelt.
steph

Just to add a thought to my previous post . . . . we are still talking about all docs as if they do not care about their patients and only the nurses care. That docs are the only ones who get into bad moods and take it out on their co-workers. That docs are bad and nurses are good. Isn't this the OP's original point? That she is hearing all this doc bashing and it simply can't be real. Not all docs behave badly. Not all nurses are saints.

I work with a physician who, after a delivery of a child, cleans up the room, picks up all the instruments, takes them and the placenta, which he bagged up into the clean-up room. Who mops up blood off the floor. All so the nurse can focus on the baby and mom.

I know a few physicians who sit at the bedside with their patients who are dying of cancer and hear that death rattle and hug the family when their patient expires.

I know all the physicians I work with make house calls.

One physician is a pain management specialist and also is on our hospice committee and regularly visits these patients at home and advocates for pain control.

For God's sake, the stereotyping that goes on in this thread is kinda making me a bit angry.

Doctors are not the devil.

I've worked with bad nurses who couldn't care less about their patient.

steph

NP2BE · May 25, 2004

Just to add a thought to my previous post . . . . we are still talking about all docs as if they do not care about their patients and only the nurses care. That docs are the only ones who get into bad moods and take it out on their co-workers. That docs are bad and nurses are good. Isn't this the OP's original point? That she is hearing all this doc bashing and it simply can't be real. Not all docs behave badly. Not all nurses are saints.
I work with a physician who, after a delivery of a child, cleans up the room, picks up all the instruments, takes them and the placenta, which he bagged up into the clean-up room. Who mops up blood off the floor. All so the nurse can focus on the baby and mom.
I know a few physicians who sit at the bedside with their patients who are dying of cancer and hear that death rattle and hug the family when their patient expires.
I know all the physicians I work with make house calls.
One physician is a pain management specialist and also is on our hospice committee and regularly visits these patients at home and advocates for pain control.
For God's sake, the stereotyping that goes on in this thread is kinda making me a bit angry.
Doctors are not the devil.
I've worked with bad nurses who couldn't care less about their patient.
steph

Thanks steph

NP2BE · May 25, 2004

I am going to tell you a secret that only doctors and nurse know.... we don't really need them.

This is one of the most ridiculous things yet said. Does this mean if you changed the laws as to who could prescribe, diagnose, and do surgery among other doctor restricted skills, or just that maybe you could deeply comfort someone while standing by and watching the, die of breast cancer yet since you have no surgical training, you couldn't perform a mastectomy, etc ad nauseum. Patients need docs and nurses, don't be ridiculous.

SmilingBluEyes · May 25, 2004

No one need be demonized. There is plenty of ignorance, cruelty, rudeness and complacency to go around. The point it, NO ONE who fits in these categories belongs in nursing OR medicine, period! Can we at least agree on that and quit picking on people for small, trivial things like TYPO's???! sheesh.

FranEMTnurse, CNA, LPN, EMT-I · May 25, 2004

I have no problem with the fact that my role as an RN will be subordinate to docs who, while I may dislike and disagree with them, they know more than we do. And while I may complain about docs plenty when I get into the field, it will be for good reasons ( like the post about the doc who canceled the angiocath appt and dc'd coumadin thereby possibly causing someone a stroke, this is a good reason to complain), not petty generalized ones.
Well, so far in nursing school, I hear so many instructors, preceptor nurses, fellow nursing students say things that just sound, mmmmm, insecure. They (the ones making these statements) will have me beleive that
1 all drs are incompetent, noncaring and money grubbing egomaniacs
2 All nurses are competent and super in the area of caring\
3 try so hard to show how "professional" nurses are that they dog out another profession, medicine
I know many docs have ego problems and are difficult to work with, but I think a cohesive atmosphere shoould be promoted, not an adversarial one.
The reality that many nurses cringe at is, Docs are more highly trained than us nurses, and they are the ones that make the decisions. And we should give credit that they care about patients too although it may not show;If for no other reason then it will cost them more money if they screw up.

I agree about the cohesive atmosphere. The only thing is, having extensive experience with many serious illnesses, from Viral encephalomengitis, to PE to pneumoniw accompanied by septicemia, I can tell you for a fact that docs tend to look at results on a test and NOT thepatient in far too many cases. An example: When I had the PE, I also had steroid induces myopathy, which made it extremely difficult for me to breathe. However, when I asked the doc if it could be a contributor to my breathing difficulties, and since the results of the pulseoximeter read in the 90's, he dismissed it, and told me it was all from the PE. That was over 3 years ago. I still get chest pain that radiates up through my neck and my back as well as my chest and the side of my head. He doesn't believe me.

Now to my findings from two nursing journals I subscribe to, Concerning the myopathy, the article stated that it can affect the diaphragm and cause a patient to feel like he/she is smothering. My experience.

In regards to the post PE pain, I read in another article that if the PE was not found and treated within the first few hours, that pain, called post embolotic or post thrombotic syndrome does in fact occur. I still have it, but thankfully not as often. When I showed my doc the proof of what I was talking about in the article, he dismissed it.

Now. Do you still feel that most docs although I admit a few do deserve the respect due to their caring attitudes, so many I personally have had experiences with do Not have my respect, because they treat us like peons, and they the egotists.

NP2BE · May 25, 2004

Now. Do you still feel that most docs although I admit a few do deserve the respect due to their caring attitudes, so many I personally have had experiences with do Not have my respect, because they treat us like peons, and they the egotists.

If this is a question, then I will answer it. I can not speak for most docs. I am not an elected represented speaker of any body of people. I have met some jerks, and some really caring people. I have met some idiotic nurses, and some truly awesome ones as well. I can give you examples of each but it would serve no purpose. I am not trying to sway any opinions here. This post by and large has reproved my original points, and brought to light some new ones. Since my entry into nursing school, docs have been demonized, this fosters a noncohesive working environment. Some people who responded to this post felt personally attacked by this point, so personally attacked me back. Those are probably the very ones out there making working environments more difficult. Others agreed with me, albeit the minority.

z's playa · May 25, 2004

(What is gow?)

:lol2: You know she meant "Grow up"

Sorry, I couldn't resist

It's all in the spelling n'est ce pas?

leslie :-D · May 25, 2004

It's all in the spelling n'est ce pas?

wee wee.............