Why is it... (nurses constantly throw jabs at physicans) - page 6
Let me preface this by saying I am around nurses, and nursing students more so I don't get to hear the other side but that being said..... Why do nurses constantly feel the need to throw jabs at... Read More
May 25, '04Joined: Jan '04; Posts: 191; Likes: 4Quote from stevielynnJust to add a thought to my previous post . . . . we are still talking about all docs as if they do not care about their patients and only the nurses care. That docs are the only ones who get into bad moods and take it out on their co-workers. That docs are bad and nurses are good. Isn't this the OP's original point? That she is hearing all this doc bashing and it simply can't be real. Not all docs behave badly. Not all nurses are saints.
I work with a physician who, after a delivery of a child, cleans up the room, picks up all the instruments, takes them and the placenta, which he bagged up into the clean-up room. Who mops up blood off the floor. All so the nurse can focus on the baby and mom.
I know a few physicians who sit at the bedside with their patients who are dying of cancer and hear that death rattle and hug the family when their patient expires.
I know all the physicians I work with make house calls.
One physician is a pain management specialist and also is on our hospice committee and regularly visits these patients at home and advocates for pain control.
For God's sake, the stereotyping that goes on in this thread is kinda making me a bit angry.
Doctors are not the devil.
I've worked with bad nurses who couldn't care less about their patient.
May 25, '04Joined: Jan '04; Posts: 191; Likes: 4I am going to tell you a secret that only doctors and nurse know.... we don't really need them.
This is one of the most ridiculous things yet said. Does this mean if you changed the laws as to who could prescribe, diagnose, and do surgery among other doctor restricted skills, or just that maybe you could deeply comfort someone while standing by and watching the, die of breast cancer yet since you have no surgical training, you couldn't perform a mastectomy, etc ad nauseum. Patients need docs and nurses, don't be ridiculous.Last edit by NP2BE on May 25, '04
May 25, '04Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 38,756; Likes: 16,286No one need be demonized. There is plenty of ignorance, cruelty, rudeness and complacency to go around. The point it, NO ONE who fits in these categories belongs in nursing OR medicine, period! Can we at least agree on that and quit picking on people for small, trivial things like TYPO's???! sheesh.
May 25, '04Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 14,838; Likes: 8,037Quote from NP2BEI agree about the cohesive atmosphere. The only thing is, having extensive experience with many serious illnesses, from Viral encephalomengitis, to PE to pneumoniw accompanied by septicemia, I can tell you for a fact that docs tend to look at results on a test and NOT thepatient in far too many cases. An example: When I had the PE, I also had steroid induces myopathy, which made it extremely difficult for me to breathe. However, when I asked the doc if it could be a contributor to my breathing difficulties, and since the results of the pulseoximeter read in the 90's, he dismissed it, and told me it was all from the PE. That was over 3 years ago. I still get chest pain that radiates up through my neck and my back as well as my chest and the side of my head. He doesn't believe me.I have no problem with the fact that my role as an RN will be subordinate to docs who, while I may dislike and disagree with them, they know more than we do. And while I may complain about docs plenty when I get into the field, it will be for good reasons ( like the post about the doc who canceled the angiocath appt and dc'd coumadin thereby possibly causing someone a stroke, this is a good reason to complain), not petty generalized ones.
Well, so far in nursing school, I hear so many instructors, preceptor nurses, fellow nursing students say things that just sound, mmmmm, insecure. They (the ones making these statements) will have me beleive that
1 all drs are incompetent, noncaring and money grubbing egomaniacs
2 All nurses are competent and super in the area of caring\
3 try so hard to show how "professional" nurses are that they dog out another profession, medicine
I know many docs have ego problems and are difficult to work with, but I think a cohesive atmosphere shoould be promoted, not an adversarial one.
The reality that many nurses cringe at is, Docs are more highly trained than us nurses, and they are the ones that make the decisions. And we should give credit that they care about patients too although it may not show;If for no other reason then it will cost them more money if they screw up.
Now to my findings from two nursing journals I subscribe to, Concerning the myopathy, the article stated that it can affect the diaphragm and cause a patient to feel like he/she is smothering. My experience.
In regards to the post PE pain, I read in another article that if the PE was not found and treated within the first few hours, that pain, called post embolotic or post thrombotic syndrome does in fact occur. I still have it, but thankfully not as often. When I showed my doc the proof of what I was talking about in the article, he dismissed it.
Now. Do you still feel that most docs although I admit a few do deserve the respect due to their caring attitudes, so many I personally have had experiences with do Not have my respect, because they treat us like peons, and they the egotists.
May 25, '04Joined: Jan '04; Posts: 191; Likes: 4Now. Do you still feel that most docs although I admit a few do deserve the respect due to their caring attitudes, so many I personally have had experiences with do Not have my respect, because they treat us like peons, and they the egotists.[/QUOTE]
If this is a question, then I will answer it. I can not speak for most docs. I am not an elected represented speaker of any body of people. I have met some jerks, and some really caring people. I have met some idiotic nurses, and some truly awesome ones as well. I can give you examples of each but it would serve no purpose. I am not trying to sway any opinions here. This post by and large has reproved my original points, and brought to light some new ones. Since my entry into nursing school, docs have been demonized, this fosters a noncohesive working environment. Some people who responded to this post felt personally attacked by this point, so personally attacked me back. Those are probably the very ones out there making working environments more difficult. Others agreed with me, albeit the minority.
May 25, '04Occupation: Class of 2008 !!! Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 2,978; Likes: 78Quote from LPN2Be2004(What is gow?)
You know she meant "Grow up"
Sorry, I couldn't resist
It's all in the n'est ce pas?
May 25, '04Joined: Apr '00; Posts: 24,611; Likes: 35,448Quote from z's playawee wee.............
It's all in the n'est ce pas?
May 25, '04Joined: Mar '04; Posts: 5,926; Likes: 15Actually Leslie, that's oui oui! LOL LOL LOL!!!!
May 25, '04Occupation: Operating Room Nurse Specialty: 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER ; From: US ; Joined: Jun '03; Posts: 17,036; Likes: 1,006Quote from CNM2BActually Leslie, that's oui oui! LOL LOL LOL!!!!
Shouldn't there be some accent marks on those words? TYPO ALERT!
May 25, '04Joined: Mar '04; Posts: 5,926; Likes: 15AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHhhhhhhhhhhhh ya got me...probably! LOL! There have been two or three different treads where people got based for misspellings and typos today. I'm telling ya...full moon or something! LOL!
May 25, '04Joined: Apr '00; Posts: 24,611; Likes: 35,448i know it was oui oui....i was just being a facetious person, that's all. as for missing the accent marks, i think we need to start an entire thread on this. shame on me!!!!
May 25, '04Occupation: Operating Room Nurse Specialty: 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER ; From: US ; Joined: Jun '03; Posts: 17,036; Likes: 1,006Quote from earle58I know this will be a huge surprise, but there already is a thread on this.i know it was oui oui....i was just being a facetious person, that's all. as for missing the accent marks, i think we need to start an entire thread on this. shame on me!!!!
May 25, '04Joined: Mar '04; Posts: 5,926; Likes: 15Hey Leslie...I knew you were..I was picking on you! LOL!